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Madocchi
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Lazy Mofo
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12:36 pm, Nov 29 2006
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me, i dont care if other groups are doing it. i pick up projects that i like to read and if that project is being sloooowly scanlated (liek 8 months wait just for a new chapter) or the project is dropped. and also i do projects thats allready being scanlated by others if i know that i can surpass their quality (but before i do that i offer the others a joint, if they refuse i just pick it up and do it myself)


now for the issue of rivalry, one group is getting pissed off due to some other group picking up their project and so they start calling the others thief or whatever ( this is just an example) well noone (scanlators) has the "right" to claim that this "manga" is their own project and for them to do only, unless this group legally liscense that manga ofcourse lol (but i dont care if that manga is liscensed coz i do what i like to read and i never really needed to release them to the public coz i started my own group for my own pleasure)

-been awake for more than 24 hours so my english kinda got weird embarrassed embarrassed

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In use
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5:17 pm, Nov 29 2006
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Alright whats the problem with scanlating mangas that are licensed? Someone?

GGpX
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Dark Knight
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5:26 pm, Nov 29 2006
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None in my mind.

Although I could understand some people why they wouldn't want licensed mangas to be released.

I do, however, have a problem with groups (Manga-Sketchbook and more recently CatChanScans) taking the American released volumes and scanning them to be released on the internet. Those aren't scanlations at all.

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bully_jesus
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5:53 pm, Nov 29 2006
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Alright whats the problem with scanlating mangas that are licensed? Someone?


Oh, scanslating is fine. Nobody will argue that. Distributing it is a somewhat different matter.

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I do, however, have a problem with groups (Manga-Sketchbook and more recently CatChanScans) taking the American released volumes and scanning them to be released on the internet. Those aren't scanlations at all.


your right, since their is no translation involved its not scanslation. It is just like ripping a DVD. Or filming a movie and than uploading it to the internet.

In use
Post #2409
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7:03 pm, Nov 29 2006
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Ok for scanlating but not for distributing licensed manga?
So whats the problem with distributing it?

bully_jesus
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7:16 pm, Nov 29 2006
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Ok for scanlating but not for distributing licensed manga?
So whats the problem with distributing it?


Well, does copyright ring a bell? You know, the thing whitch authors use to protect their books, or honda uses to make sure that hyundai doesn't bild a car that just happens to be exactly like theirs? Or how musik labels get royaltis when their music is used in advertisment? The whole international idea of making ideas and designs property.

NeoShweaty
Post #2411 - Reply to (#2409) by In use
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7:18 pm, Nov 29 2006
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Quote from In use
Ok for scanlating but not for distributing licensed manga?
So whats the problem with distributing it?


One is directly, whether one chooses to admit it or not, cutting into profits a company would have made had people bought the volume of manga that they illegally downloaded. Scanlation in general is illegal for this very reason. (i dont see how one can argue that scanlation is legal but the distributing of it is illegal when they are inextricably tied together)

In use
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7:34 pm, Nov 29 2006
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As I know all manga are licensed in japan...
Why does japenese copyright doesnt matter? Is it racism?

I think you cant separate them too Neo.

So why do people have a problem scanlating licensed manga? Anyone?


bully_jesus
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7:40 pm, Nov 29 2006
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(i dont see how one can argue that scanlation is legal but the distributing of it is illegal when they are inextricably tied together)


If you buy a book and translate it at home or with a few friends, no problem. If you make mixtapes from your cd collection no problem. If you take all of your Air Gear comics and cut out all the Ringo pics and glue them into your I love Ringo Bible, also no problem. If you buy something thats got copyright protection it doesn't mean you can't play around with it. One exception is certain software (hacking). So if you have a manga there is no reason not to scan and translate it into another language. Giving this to people who have not paid for the copywrited material you scanned is a problem.

bully_jesus
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7:51 pm, Nov 29 2006
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As I know all manga are licensed in japan...
Why does japenese copyright doesnt matter? Is it racism?


yes, it is well known that most Manga fans hate the japanese race. So while they don't mind breaking japanese licenses, when other races ( kaukasian, sinthi, pygmes, aborigines, inkas,... ) license it, many scanslators feel that now it would be evil to steal. So they stop.

Good observation skills!



GGpX
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Dark Knight
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8:18 pm, Nov 29 2006
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in use: Are you retarded?

I mean, do you have any common sense whatsoever?

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Samyrai
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9:51 pm, Nov 29 2006
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Copyrights? Thats a system for ppl to get rich ... let me get rid of this rant here:

Whats copyright basically about? A system that people dont steal each others works. I dont really go with that.(with scanlating at least, not with everything smile Why? Thats why:
Stealing has this simple definition (Wikipedia): In the criminal law, theft (also known as stealing) is the illegal TAKING of someone else's property without that person's freely-given consent.
Now, is ripping a movie, or scanning manga stealing? NO, because when you copy/reproduce something, you dont acctually TAKE it from the person. You only copy it ... however you turn it, reproducing is not theft.

Nice excuse eh? cool cool

Ambience Blue
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10:05 pm, Nov 29 2006
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Okay. I think In Use isn't understanding something. There's a difference between copyrights and licenses, though the lines can get pretty close.

Copyright: Usually issued to the owner or progenitor of the concept/ work.

License: Business agreement handed selectively to other parties under strict regulations (ex: You may only alter the pages to reflect English translations of the series)

The original Japanese companies hold the copyrights and Japanese licenses. They usually don't go out of their way to translate their own works into other languages, preferring to license them (sell restricted rights) to offshore companies to do as they will.

What the scanlation community does is take the original Japanese manga, written in Japanese, and translate them for a larger non-Japanese speaking audience. From the copyright-holder's perspective, then, this is beneficial, since popularity of a scanlation project indicates that the project will do well in a foreign country and will thus help them sell the license to an offshore corporation. Yes, it is illegal, since copyrighted material isn't meant to not be tampered with. Japanese companies, however, prefer to turn a blind eye to scanlating, since it proves beneficial to their long-term goals.

Scanning and releasing manga that has been licensed and is available in another language, however, is more of a grounds for suit, since the free scanlations are direct competition for the licensed books available in stores. I won't even get started on groups that straight-up scan right out of the translated commercial books. That's straight-up piracy.

And btw, what was up with the racism part? That made even less sense, since the whole point of scanlating is to acquaint non-Japanese audiences with East Asian culture. Please think a little before charging others with vast, hurtful generalizations.

bully_jesus
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10:34 pm, Nov 29 2006
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[/quote]Nice excuse eh? cool cool[quote]


you might try to work on that one a bit, seems to have a few holes here and there

NeoShweaty
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10:58 pm, Nov 29 2006
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ambience blue summed it up nicely. Kudos!

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