I just read in one of those links that Gaiman said that he drew fictional minor sex for storytelling so that means that Gantz and stories that have a plotline are safe from the feds...I think

I, for one, am reading yaoi mangas and it just freaks me out to know that a person was actually charged because of mangas, I also own some Junjou Romantica Licensed Copies (Printed in the USA) and just glad that I live in the Philippines because I can't imagine our house being raided due to some printed materials. I definitely have decided to never live in America someday. If any of these laws actually pass and everything gets too overboard, then I'd just love to relocate myself to the home of mangas, Japan, where anime and manga definitely would not be banned, probably ever.

Ummm...

CCPA got tossed out for being too broad in it's scope, it was replaced with the PROTECT Act in 2003, which is the new and current standard. The Adam Walsh Act added new things to the PROTECT Act and as such parts of the AWA and PROTECT Act are now being tried in cases as unconstitutional. Already parts of the PROTECT Act were tossed out.

So...that link you gave is a bit outdated on the concept.

And the virtual child porn thing was about actual photo-like computer renditions of children. Not drawn figures is...was protected by the PROTECT Act...before the Adam Walsh Act was passed...which counters part of that and upholds it to the Miller Test.

This is the first actual testing of the new acts due to the AWA enforcing and circumventing parts of the PROTECT Act.

Oh and I agree completely. The Right had better stay the hell out of this...I'm just waiting for Viz or Tokyopop to make a stand... Because I know for sure this is not the end and it will come down to money.

So technically under that act wouldn't at least 90 percent of all porn be deemed "obscene"? I don't understand the charges if they dropped the minor thing.

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Wait.... I haven't actually seen anyone ask where the hell this guy was living. Certain areas in the US have stricter laws concerning porn in general than other ones. And in small town, extremely conservative areas things like this may be possible. But if you're living in a larger area (and by larger I mean like greater than 10,000) generally moderate area, I doubt they'll come banging on your door about reading yaoi, hentai, or porn in general. [Shota and lolicon are another matter entirely]

Its just a matter of knowing the laws in your area and its views

You obviously haven't read the article clearly, it says Iowa.

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Are you sure? I know that originally Drawn Kiddy porn was illegal, and then some judge declared it unconstitutional, but the President of the USA added that law again just recently, can a supreme judge really over turn it that easily?

As for the obscenity charge, isn't that only for public displays? Can they really tell you the p0rn you're reading it to hard core?

That's sad. Why would It matter what we read anyways? There is so much worse porn everywhere on the internet. Heck even youtube could get more explicit easily. Chirs Handley should be FREED >

That's ridicules... How can there be absurd laws like this?
People can buy all kinds of porn, but not manga?...
I don't live in the US, my country is probably too lazy to bother, and it's a good thing. Who cares what people read behind closed doors...
Fine, protect the children from things they see everywhere by not letting them read manga. Are they trying to do their parents' job?
And besides, since when can people start restricting what others read?
And I'm not talking abut little kids.
This whole thing is absurd...

I agree. How long is it before even the more innocent reading material will be checked, and our privacy will be broken into....

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This is absurd. What about the package made the Postal Inspector suspicious enough to open and riffle through the contents? I'd sure as hell like to know because I'm expecting a shipment Dr. Ten and Hoshino Lily manga to be dropped off at my doorstep next Friday, and it would be nice if the police didn't come with it.

I would really like to know just what titles they are referring to in this case.

You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. There's no way this guy is going to get 20 years for buying manga, geez.

And if he did, so what? If that's the law, that's the law. If your state law says depictions of sex are obscene, that's what your law says. Rage against it, fine. Try to get it changed, fine. But if you don't want trouble, don't break it.

Silly Americans and their lack of personal responsibility.

I find this quite an interesting response from the country of first person shooters e.g. Grand Theft Auto which certainly features a lot of obscene and vulgar material.

Also if they are doing such censorship it will have to be applied to all art forms including written works, which can feature some pretty hard stuff.
Personal opinion of course.

O.k. I read Yaoi, Shounen ai and very, very rarely shota (4 to date), and I read 2 of the shota because I really like Haruka Minami and C.J. Michalski and wanted to see what they did with the genre and the other 2 I didn't even realise were shota until I saw the MU classification and went back to check the school uniforms.

Now I respect that many people don't like this.

I don't like Loli or Horror or Hentai, etc.

However, just because I like homosexual manga doesn't mean I condone child abuse or rape.

I certainly would never look at real pornography featuring children.

The mere idea of sexually abusing any one, let alone a child, makes me feel physically ill and emotionally repulsed by the person carrying out such behaviour.

Manga is an art form used to explore all possible representations of a reality.
This is why there are so many genera, each with their own following.

I do think this charge is ridiculous and think that the americans should spend their time and money combating the child trafficing which occurs within their own country.

And if we're really worried about abuse in manga let's start with the ones depicting hard core rape, regardless of gender or age, without any negative consequences, and at least include a page about the real effects of rape in each book.
Furthermore I find that the shota I've encountered mainly features children happily choosing to have sex with each other, not older men preying on children, and the only manga with such a plot point shows it as extremely emotionally damaging for the boy.

My apologies if this was rambling and makes no sense. I'm glad that at least some people are helping him, and glad that I will never live in the US.

Ronnie.

This is all about precendent.
Furthermore, not even lawyers keep upto date on what all the latest amendments and interpretations are. How can an ordinary person be expected to? Particularly when it's just a manga?

I understand you're opinion, but he was being charged with a recent amendment. Which, hilariously, turned out to be unconstitutional.
How can an ordinary citizen obey the law when the lawmakers can't even compose them correctly?

Such a situation could be applied to any country and if you did not know it was illegal, don't think it should be illegal, is it not logical to fight a criminal charge?

However, you are entitled to your opinion.
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If you guys get a chance, read Neil Gaiman's "Why Defend Freedom of Icky Speech?" here:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedo m-of-icky-speech.html

...especially if you're on the fence about whether or not to take up arms for something you really aren't into. Like lolican or yaoi.

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