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WShin
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I was amazed by how little mangaka realize that some readers like female dominance in a shoujo manga. My question is: "Why not? Why does it always have to be the guy who "dominates" in the relationship? Why can't the girl be the one to 'progress' the relationship?"

Even in Josei, it's the same thing. Yoshihara Yuki is an example - Her female characters are usually very perverted and think about doing the deed with their crushes every waking second, but when it comes time to actually do it, the male lead is the one to initiate and to, well, guide every step of the way.

I used to like her manga, but something always bothered me about her work, and today, I realized that it was this.

Follow-through is very important. No follow through, there was no femdom in the first place. Just a girl who screwed up initating intercourse and a guy who magically fixes things.

Even in ecchi/shounen manga, there are some female dominant characters, even though most have the male lead dominating. I'm not going to say ecchi is more empowering for women (gag me), but it does show something that is lacking in shoujo/josei - females who actually "dominate"/"lead' the relationship, taking it to the next level.

In shoujo, why is it almost always that it's the girl's first time, and the guy is somehow magically so good at intercourse that she's just basically lying down and taking it? The author draws a few expressions on her face to show that she's enjoying it, but the truth is that she's doing nothing except lying down on the bed.

Why can't we have it the other way around, shoujo/josei? Why can't we have a girl who's actually sexually assured and takes the lead in a shoujo/josei? Is it because then readers will think she's a slut? Does the female dominance trope only belong in hentai/ecchi?

Last thing: During the lovemaking scenes, why do we get so many shots of the girl's expressions, and very few of the guy's? I want to read it for the guy's expressions, so why give me so many closeups of the girl? I can get that in hentai (which, for those of you unitiated to the dark side of manga, is close to 99% female body part/expression closeups and maybe 1% male. I'm serious. For other hentai readers, count the number of times you actually got to see a solid closeup of a good-looking male lead).

How I would like to see female dominance portrayed in shoujo/josei:

The girl is not cruel/mean to the male just because she "dominates"
The male has a choice to leave when he wants to
The girl initiates and follows through with taking the lead. She does not stop in the middle and fumble: "Oh, what do I do now?" and wait for the male to take the lead.
(More closeups of the male's face. I personally prefer a bit of crying/tears/face reddening from the guy, but that might be personal preferences - Okay, not female dominance, this applies to all shoujo/josei in general. Ah shoujo, you got me to compare you to ecchi.)
It might be the guy's first time! (Hey, novel idea!)
The girl enjoys "dominating"/taking the lead (another novel idea!)
It happens more than once (if it's a series)

Manga artists, you clearly can draw blushing/slightly tear-eyed male faces in yaoi, so why can't you do the same in shoujo/josei? Why must I get my fix of blushing/slightly tear-eyed male faces from stories where another guy is the one making them have those expressions (I do like yaoi, but I also want to see that in straight pairings)?

In case you want to see examples, here are the manga:

Koi wa Tenka no Mawarimono
Kawaii Oresama (to a lesser degree, but hey, it's shoujo. I don't have high expectations for most shoujo in terms of relationship depth. Plus it was a oneshot)

Look, I counted two. Two manga - not even series, it's just oneshots.
Ok, rant over.

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Chaoskitty
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Only thing I can think of is Velvet Kiss. And that one oneshot you posted. lol Shame there isn't more of this. I really enjoy more aggressive woman in my reading. =/

Hainelol
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I'm so glad that someone else (and that writes way better than me) wrote something that was bothering me for a while now... As always, I'm sorry for my awkward English, but I hope you understand me here.
When I read Koi wa Tenka no Mawarimono, I was so amazed by how the female lead was portraited by the author and I went looking for more. Many of the manga in the "Femdom" category do fit (in a lesser degree), but they were not the same as the aforementioned oneshot. All the other examples I can think of are ecchi or seinen (like Sundome)... It shouldn't be rare like that... Even though I understand some of the explanations for this (the same that are given when it is asked why don't the girls in shoujo have big breasts or why are they such weak characters): the reader has to relate; our society is ruled by men; the girls should be like that (wtf?! The worst thing is that I've read this argument many times before), etc.
Even in Yaoi (I'm sorry for bringing this up), the one who takes "the woman role"/the uke is usually depicted as inferior in many aspects than the one who will dominate (or top, or take the "man's role"). In many yaoi manga, the uke is very much like the shoujo protagonists... Thankfully, nowadays is not so rare to get an yaoi manga with an equal-standing relationship. It is amazing and I'm glad to see that the yaoi mangakas are "letting go" of the old stereotypes. Not that I don't enjoy girly ukes once in a while, as I like some of the weak and submissive female leads in some manga... But it's nice to see a change in this.
I really hope to get more female characters that are, actually, in charge of their relationship in a josei or shoujo manga. For now, I'm glad to see manga with strong female leads, but I still hope for more. ^_~

Myuym
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Kimi wa pet?

Doesn't fit entirely but she is the dominant one smile

Serian
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Actually about a week ago I had an interesting discussion with a friend. It was about a man/boy that wrote on facebook something like "well, I love my gf, so I forbid her some things, so I can protect her". For my part alone the word "forbid" caused some nausea. But what really shocked us was, how many women/girls agreed with him. But it is simply a (tragic) fact, that still most women want to be or play the passive part in a relationship. So on one hand I think that some mangaka want to portray the relationship they prefer and on the other hand others may simply stick to the preferred mainstream relationship so their works sell better. For my part I would like to see more female dominance, at least for a change. Or simply a relationship with two strong characters. Who said one has to be passive/leading/whatever the whole time.

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I totally agree with your post. There's needs to be more female dominance, especially in shoujo. But as to "why" it's like this, I have a couple guesses. First, manga rarely pushes the boundaries as far as gender roles are concerned. It pretty much stays with traditional ideals. Second, Japan is also a pretty traditional country. You might think that Japan, with all it's hentai and ecchi manga, is more open minded about sexuality, but as far as I can tell (although I'm no expert) Japan is still very much a conservative country.

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Yami-Tsukiyomi
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I can only think of Kimi wa Pet and Ikenai Candy Love though Ikenai Candy Love is only a oneshot. :/ I actually want to see it continued.

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Added to those above: Stone Cold (the only one with an interesting character), The Prince's Cactus, and Stroke Material (but the guy is somehow dumb imho).

In the manga......
Agree with you. I haven't seen several ones with a girl actually "being herself", mature and non-mature mangas included.

Basically, what I'd like to see in female characters in a relationship:

*Doing the first step in the action
*Taking over or at least enjoy
*Not laying as a plastic doll awaiting instructions
*Beating out those (pre)adolescent sex machines

I kinda understand the girls who watch yaoi. It isn't my cup of tea, but in their world they're happy with no one calling them lewd. As I can tell, isn't for the domination itself (recurrent there) at all, instead, the chance to see real male's emotions.

Surfing on the net, I came across with this article about how +18 otome games "supossedly" aimed for women end up being guy's ecchi & hentai. You might like it.

In the real world......
Quote from Serian
...It was about a man/boy that wrote on facebook something like "well, I love my gf, so I forbid her some things, so I can protect her"...

My most hated manga phrase come true.

That is as logical as if I get a nerd boyfriend and tell him: Dear, please get a B, so I can reach an A and be worth intelligent to be with you. It's insane to oblige someone to lower himself/herself in order to play a part stated by the "society's common sense".

The passive role certainly was imposed by someone with self-esteem. I'm not saying that is bad (actually can be fun sometimes, everyones wants to be spoiled), but as a forever lifestyle sucks. Dependence isn't bad as long as it doesn't turn into submission and both parts recognize the contributions of each other.

No opinion about S&M, that's another case XD.

Putting it as an entirely matter of dominance just doesn't go with my beliefs. I don't agree with the extremely feminists, nor do I with the male chauvinisms out there. For me, mates have to enjoy the relationship. We are different and opposites, to attract and need each other. But whatever.... stupid prejudices and silly humans.


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I read all genres, especially shoujo and josei and I feel your pain. Even when women are portrayed as wearing the pants in the relationship, they're normally utter bitches, or extremely cruel to the male lead. Most mangas tagged with "femdom" (which also happen to normally be hentai) are of this nature, where the girl is cruel or eventually cedes her superior role to the male.

Personally, I'd suggest just reading a manga about give-and-take in the relationship, where the male and female counterparts are equal. It's rare, but less so than that of femdom. Those mangas are often much more fair to the modern woman and her role in a relationship.

Note: Though some I believe keep on calling Japan a very traditional society, I would argue that. There are certain social stigmas, but most of those are just in general, Asian, and not particularly Japanese-derived. Japanese youth life is, after all, one of the most wild smile

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kagerato
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This is a very valid point to raise. I have trouble coming up with any good examples of femdom in shoujo myself. There are cases of equality or give and take, but that's obviously not the same.

It shows you what the gender norms are, though, and why feminism is still relevant today. We're so deeply indoctrinated into this stereotypical thinking that it can hardly be broken even in fiction.

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Well, part of the reason is that probably girls in Japan, who are the original audience for manga, doesn't like it. The first revolution in shoujo manga started when the girls are the hero (for example Versailles no Bara when the girl are depicted as strong and courageous.

The other problem with that is most girls read shoujo/josei for the romance. In order to support the romance, not only do they have to like the girl, they have to support the guy too. In femdom, a guy who seems submissive, weak, or easily being led around by the girl is simply not attractive to some girls (me included). Do you know why guys in shoujo is usually all-around perfect? Because they are there for the reader to fall in love with them.

Plus if a girl takes lead in a relationship the girl will seem pushy, a character trait that Japanese people dislike in general. If a girl is too forward in sex (depending on the magazine that publish it) it could also be seen as showing a bad example or teaching girls to be slutty. Another thing is because girls in Japan tend to be less forward, they can't relate to the heroine.

Yaoi is a different beast altogether. In yaoi, there's no gender role. It's all fair and game because it's the same gender. Some author likes to depict the uke as girly, but it's okay for the uke to be lewd and leading the intercourse because why? He's a guy and it's okay for guys to love sex.

Ecchi and hentai which are targetted towards the male crowd have a different set of psychology. For guys who are (I know I'm generalizing the male otaku here, but please bear with me) most likely single, and rely on hentai for their relief, what else would they wish for but for a sexy confident woman with big boobs to lead them into the relationship so that they don't have to? Sure she's directing the whole play, but it doesn't change that he's getting off to a hot chick.

In the end the reason why there's not enough femdom in my opinion is because there's not a big enough market for it. However, this is all just my opinion and analysis market-wise. Whether or not it's true will be proven or dis proven in the field.

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Cool. Cool,cool, cool. Nice to see other ppl chime in the subject:

@ Chaoskitty: Yep, even ecchi uses femdom more than shoujo/smut...if you find any other shoujo/josei relevants, let me know.

@ Hainelol: Your english is pretty good, no need to worry. Really? I didn't know there was more "equal-standing" relationship in yaoi now. IMO, almost all the ones I've seen are pretty much helpless uke x borderline-rapist-if-not-actual-rapist seme. Any recommendations for an equal relationship one?

When you mentioned people responding that weak female characters are created so that readers could relate, I got all : (. The next time someone says that, tell them to re-take History, lol. The women's suffrage movement, the women's rights movement going on still today proves that women are willing to fight to win the rights that were only given to men just a few decades ago. They still have to fight against stereotypes and misconceptions not only on a social level, but on a personal/day-to-day one. Women are not weak!

Sidenote: The term "strong female lead" has been properly used and misused by some these days, making it unreliable on many occasions. I don't really use it in the search functions.

@Myum: You picked what used to be and still is one of my favourite dramas. I don't like criticizing my favourites, but I'll try anyways. Yes, the woman is the one giving shelter to the man, taking care of him, etc. but the man is the one who is emotionally more stable, comforts her (in the drama, it was noticeably more this way than vice versa), and she is the one to beg him not to go. I liked it, but I wouldn't consider the female to be the one in the "dominant" position. Felt too much like the guy was the one taking the lead. The female was also very emotionally stunted - hard to take the lead in a relationship if she isn't emotionally strong. But I identify with her in some ways > <

@Serian : Haha, you're right in that a fair relationship is the best. Maybe it's seeing females being absolutely dominated by males for the full duration of their relationship in even shoujo/josei manga that makes me want to flip the level to the other side. To balance it out, if this makes any sense. I really can't understand women who think that letting a guy decide how she should live her life is okay. Isn't it disturbing that it's mainstream?

@KaoriNite: You're right. Japan is a very conservative country - I visited the country two years ago and stayed at a hosting family's house as an exchange student. Mother was the housewife, father, the working one. Everyone was very polite, nice, you could feel the distance (or maybe we had quite the distance in values). Once, one of the daughters showed me videos of Koda Kumi (she's known for her racy music vids, if you didn't know), and asked me if people in America were like that on a normal basis. It was the only time she and I really talked. XD... Haha, if that were true, I'd be the odd one out.

I have hope that Japan will have female dominance in shoujo/josei, eventually. They created Dragonball, Digimon, Pokemon...hey Japan, how about a woman that's not afraid to take charge and lead the guy in their relationship for your next shockeroonie? Guarantee you'll have a fan in me.

Lol, Japan. Where female dominance (or a sexually assured female) is more frightening than gore.

@ StephKuran: I did like the Prince's Cactus, but I felt the female lead was bitchier than she deserved to be. Granted, she was spunky, but I feel like she could have dialed back the meanness after the guy started being nicer to her.

Stroke Material - It was funny, if you didn't think about it that deeply. I really didn't like the female character in it. She ignores him for ten pages of the first chapter, but then in the last two, suddenly likes the guy that's been stalking her? ("I can't get you out of my mind" could be anything. Especially towards a stalker - Paranoia?). I do like the guy (maybe b/c he's a bit of an M, or he became less of a douche or maybe it's b/c it's from his POV)

There are lots of shoujo where the female is the one who takes the first action (depending on how you define it, it could be confessing, kissing, hugging, blushing, etc.) My problem is that they don't follow through/ need to the guy to follow through. For the second point, I'd prefer taking over - there's a lot where the female enjoys it (or is like: "No, stop it-oh wait, I think I like this", depending on your preference). I don't quite understand your fourth point. Do you mean a guy like a girl more than he likes his onahole? I would hope so. Sorry if it's not what you meant.

Onto the article - I love breadmasterlee - I'm a total lurker on Hinano's site. Love her reviews - this article especially. I think every girl should read it before getting into the otome scene to just know what to expect so they won't throw up when the first rape scene pops up. You have no idea how weirded out I was when I stumbled across that factoid (I was like: "I thought otome games for supposed to be for girls, not would-be rapists").

"The passive role certainly was imposed by someone with self-esteem. I'm not saying that is bad (actually can be fun sometimes, everyones wants to be spoiled), but as a forever lifestyle sucks." - I don't exactly agree with the fact that dominating someone is equivalent to spoiling him/her, but I guess if you're an M (like the mangaka assumes the average shoujo reader is)...

"Dependence isn't bad as long as it doesn't turn into submission and both parts recognize the contributions of each other." - Isn't it ironic that one of the top-selling series on the continent (North America) is Fifty Shades of Grey? I wonder who came first, the artists/creators/scoiety that influenced women to think that being dominated for your whole life is "enjoyable", or masochistic women? My bet is on society. Anyway, a can of worms I won't get into now.

"But whatever.... stupid prejudices and silly humans." - Agree with you on the last sentence - society is full of prejudice.

@ Jeshia - Yep, usually women are portrayed as being unreasonably mean when they have the upper hand in the relationship (I wonder if the main lesson is "be unreasonably mean and crabby to your love interest, and they'll love you back"?).

Know any "fair" man/woman relationship manga? I just tend to be wary of those manga too because what seems to be fair might not be that way in reality.


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YouStoopet
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Well, i think it's mainly because in Shoujo manga, those typical female leads are there so that the majority of the readers would find it easier to relate to them and put themselves in their place, and as some people stated, society sees girls who take the intiative as "slutty" and immoral, also most guys don't like that type, but there are exceptions to everything. and yeah, i read alot of H-manga and Ecchi too in addition to other genres, and i do once in a while come across those mangas with girls taking the lead, i think it's because some readers just like to see the girl do all the work and all they have to do is sit back lol, or those inexperienced and what some people call them, "wimpy" guys, like straightforward girls who'll lead them in the relationship, but there are few other different reasons too, one being there's very few viewers/readers who'd enjoy this kind of stuff, so the market for it is pretty small.

It's also the same in Otome games, it's just so it is easier for the demographic to put themselves in the protagonist's shoes, and to give a more believable view of girls. no biggie.

@mizunosaki

It's all fair in yaoi? To be honest and reasonable with you, No it isn't, it's never fair for the Uke at least, no matter how you look at it. and the whole "because they're the same sex" argument doesn't really make sense in this case.

Also, i've never come across a yaoi where the uke was "lewd", always the shy, feminine and victimized guy who falls for a tall, masculine and dominant guy. but i'm sure there are those few exceptions out there ;p


EDIT: i've noticed some people talking about "femdom", dude, that's a completely different genre, and it's usually associated with Hentai (one of the few niche genres), and the male or female partner is always a submissive wimp, so i don't think that counts here.

And it's not only japan, anywhere and everywhere, dominant and agressive women are like some kind of zombie or something for people, but it's kind of understandable, i guess.

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WShin
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Thanks for joining in, mizunosaki! I'd like to raise a few points, but please take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, and know that I'm not criticizing you as a person, just picking the common arguments that you've showcased:

"In femdom, a guy who seems submissive, weak, or easily being led around by the girl is simply not attractive to some girls (me included)." - I really hope that people are starting overcome the "crying/tears/blushing/stammering = weak" misconception. I'd take it in the way that the guy is comfortable with me seeing him in is most vulnerable side - in other words, he's strong/self-assured enough to show his feelings in front of me. Rarely do guys ever cry in front of other people, because guys I know think it's embarrassing/pathetic. But I like crying. I like being able to show my emotions to people I trust. I digress... guys who are comfortable blushing/getting teary-eyed or cying in front of me is attractive.

"Do you know why guys in shoujo is usually all-around perfect? Because they are there for the reader to fall in love with them." Thank you for bringing up a common point that I really cannot understand. If the guy is perfect, he wouldn't need a girl, would he? And even if he wasn't 100% flawless and needed a girl, why would he pick the main female character? Is she perfect, too? But wait, then the readers wouldn't be able to relate to her, so the mangaka makes her deficient in some way. By then, the logic would be lost.

It's better to say that the male lead seems perfect, but is, deep down, deficient in some way (usually emotionally) and needs someone to fill the hole in his heart. But wait, wouldn't that make him "imperfect"? And this emotional deficiency makes him even more appealing to the female readers, right ("I'll be the one to heal him" kind of thinking and all).

And if readers can accept a male that's "imperfect" in that way and find it cute, then why can't the guy be "imperfect" in that he cries, gets teary-eyed, and blushes during lovemaking or when the female takes the lead?

"Plus if a girl takes lead in a relationship the girl will seem pushy, a character trait that Japanese people dislike in general." - Wait, what? So if a guy takes the lead in the relationship, he's confident, but if a girl does it, she's pushy?

"Another thing is because girls in Japan tend to be less forward, they can't relate to the heroine." - Actually, the japanese girls I met on my exchange trip were very forward. -they showed me videos of scantily clad women dancing and point-blank asked me if women in America were like that and then pressed for details. If they can be forward with discussing the topic of sexuality, why can't they progress to taking action?

"Yaoi is a different beast altogether. In yaoi, there's no gender role. It's all fair and game because it's the same gender." This is another point that I disagree with strongly. The formula that mangaka are still using today is usually uke x seme. The uke takes the "feminine" role of blushing, crying at inopportune times, and generally causing a(n) (unattractive) scene. The seme usually takes the "masculine" role at being amazing at sex and borderline sexually assaulting the uke and being cold and distant when he feels like it. He will almost always lead the uke on until the uke breaks down, and the seme realizes that (maybe it's his sadistic tendencies) he suddenly loves him. After the denouement is presented in some sweaty lovemaking scenes and crying on the part of the uke, all is right with the world. Wait, haven't I seen this formula before? Make the uke a girl and you have your average smut/shoujo. Ta-dah.

"Some author likes to depict the uke as girly, but it's okay for the uke to be lewd and leading the intercourse because why? He's a guy and it's okay for guys to love sex." - Actually, I have a theory for this too. We all know yaoi's biggest fanbase consists of women, right? But why do women like it so much? It could be a covert way to show the "feminine" sex actually liking intercourse without alerting patriarchal societal pressures. Since the uke is a boy, after all. And society is fine with males liking sex. In manga actually aimed at homosexuals, both of the men look like men, I would hazard to guess, and not a boy that seems to have taken too many estrogen pills.

"Ecchi and hentai which are targetted towards the male crowd have a different set of psychology. For guys who are (I know I'm generalizing the male otaku here, but please bear with me) most likely single, and rely on hentai for their relief, what else would they wish for but for a sexy confident woman with big boobs to lead them into the relationship so that they don't have to? Sure she's directing the whole play, but it doesn't change that he's getting off to a hot chick." - So what would be wrong with women being the ones to intiate and follow through with intercourse? I'm not sure what the argument is here. Are you saying that even though she's the one who looks like she's on top, he's the one who's getting banged by a hot chick? - This is true b/c it's ecchi. They frame it that way ("the guy's a winner because he doesn't have to do any work and is getting off to a hot chick") for guys. But for shoujo/josei, why can't I frame it as a girl getting to top a hot guy and enjoy seeing that he likes it as much as she does? Goodness forbid a girl actually gets to be active in the bedroom and the guy to actually like it.

That's the problem I have with shoujo/josei: "You're only a good lover/girlfriend/wife, etc. if you lie there like a log and make happy expressions while blushing. Or if you initiate, screw up, and let your boyfriend/male lead take the reins, and then lie down and make happy expressions."

"In the end the reason why there's not enough femdom in my opinion is because there's not a big enough market for it." - You're right. But I wonder if that's due to influence by societal pressures or due to women's actual desires.

I'm sure you're raising these points to show what answers people usually give to this sort of question. But it sounds a bit passive, like we should all just accept that this is fact and move on. I'd worry for the future of humanity if we didn't question what was wrong with society - or maybe Brave New World has just scared me into thinking that the future of humanity is drugged-up happy people thinking their society is perfect.

@YouStoopet: Thanks for joining in. You're perhaps our first hentai reader (except for me, X )).

"i think it's because some readers just like to see the girl do all the work and all they have to do is sit back lol, " - I have a theory as to why letting a girl do the work in the bedroom might not appeal to guys. Work, at the heart of it, is knowing how to do something, or showing your aptitude at something. Learning to do something and eventually doing it well is empowering. For some guys, the choice is clear: why would they give up the chance to show how good they are in bed and let their female partner snatch that chance away? Looking at it this way, I agree with the assumption that most hentai/ecchi readers are male virgins who have never had a long term relationship with a girl.

"i've noticed some people talking about "femdom", dude, that's a completely different genre, and it's usually associated with Hentai (one of the few niche genres), and the male or female partner is always a submissive wimp, so i don't think that counts here." - Fem dom means that the female is the dominant one, so the female is never a 'submissive wimp' in this genre. In hentai, it just has a more fine-turned definition, usually involving a dominatrix costume and toys. I am using it in this case to mean a sexually confident woman not afraid to take the lead in bed, because describing this subgenre as "sexually confident woman not afraid to take the lead in bed" is just plain long.

But I don't think femdom should/can be limited to just hentai, because presenting females in an empowering light in a manga intended to get men off is just...weird and nonsensical. In some ways, it even feels degrading, like the women's movement was created so men could get off. I could tolerate it if sexually confident women appeared in manga meant for women and was an active/outright willing participant in the relationship.

"And it's not only japan, anywhere and everywhere, dominant and agressive women are like some kind of zombie or something for people, but it's kind of understandable, i guess." - It's understandable? Do you truly think so? I don't think dominant and aggressive women are rare, especially in North America, unless you've never entered the workforce before. My supervisors are all women, and if anyone ever tried to mess with them, I'm 100% sure they'd regret it - I kind of admire that about them - wish I had that trait.

Last edited by WShin at 6:55 am, Aug 7

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5:33 am, Aug 7 2012
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@WShin

You're welcome and thanks ;p

Well there's that too, but like i said, there are many different reasons, some of we don't even know.

And i think you misunderstood, Femdom doesn't apply only to female-male relationships, it goes for Yuri too, and threesomes (In case of Hentai), hence why i said male or female partner.

Yeah i know what you mean, but femdom is mostly associated with hentai, sure people use the word for different meanings, like you in this case, but it's usually used to describe agressive and dominant women who take the lead in bed over a submissive male/female, dominatrix is also something else, the word is used for dominant females in S&M/BDSM relationships, you know, those scary ones with whips, candles, etc xD

Yeah i know what you mean, but people prefer the "average" girl, you know, those shy and innocent types. also the large majority of the female demographic, like i said earlier, finds it easy to relate to the damsel in distress type, heck, there's this new anime called Arcana famigilia, an otome game adaption where the girl is fairly agressive and strong, and it's selling DVD's and BD's like crap, while ones like Hakuoki and UtaPri, where the female lead is your average highschool innocent girl, are already in the top sellers list, that proves something i guess lol

I never said they're "rare" though, "uncommon" or a "small minority" is more fit, but back to the otaku media, i guess it's just what the majority prefer, nowadays minorites like us have no say in the matters, it's like we are just sidekicks, this world is pretty unfair, if you just express your opinion then people would avoid you, call you a freak, or some retarded crap (excuse the rage moment). but trust me, there are strong and masculine men who prefer strong women over "normal" ones, they want someone to keep up with them and be there for them and DO something for them. there's an exception for everything, and i mean EVERYTHING ;p

no need to get upset over such minor and trivial things, you'll just end up thinking of unnecessary stuff and overworking your brain resulting in unnecessary headaches, i've been there, trust me.

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