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Post #599555 - Reply to (#599326) by deadphoenix
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If she (he) doesn't want it to to be stolen by Mangafox, why not releasing it as a pdf file?
Those can be saved on your computer easily and can be read easily with acrobat reader. The only thing that isn't possible is adding ads with it or split it up picture by picture decorating it with ads in a ugly way.

If this doesn't work, you can always buy the paid version with copyright protection. And if this isn't working (don't forget to send a complain to acrobat claiming your money back, if they get a lot of complains they will certainly do something against mangafox).

When I think about this, TZA (The Zero-Alliance) tried to have a strict way of releasing things, even if they still give you a download link next to the PDF link. (However, the download link is the one thing I can't figure with TZA and a lot of other scanlation sites.)

I have one of the highest levels of Acrobat (X Pro), but I never once attempted to split up any of TZA's projects. (I super vow never to do so since it's just...wrong.) So, I don't know if they keep theirs with a copyright protection or not. Hopefully, their pdf releases have protection of some form.

As for Sura, I go there to read Siesta, and nothing else. I'm happy that she's accomplished a lot, but at the same time, completely understand her feelings. It's her site and she can do whatever she wants. All her hard work has been abused time and time again by the aggregators much like every other scanlators' work out there. >__< I wish I could use magic to eradicate their stupid money making ads.

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Post #599556 - Reply to (#599544) by cecropiamoth
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2:09 am, May 18 2013
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I'm always amazed at these discussions because they seem to take place in some ideal world that doesn't exist.

In the real world there's a big Internet demand for manga translated into English. Scanlator and aggregator sites are together meeting that demand. Each kind of site is doing what it's go ...


BS man!

What do you think bakaupdates is for? We come here to get the latests news about the manga we like and then go to the site of the scanlator group of our choosing..

sites like mangafox aren't needed..

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Post #599557 - Reply to (#599556) by Daichii
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sites like mangafox aren't needed..

Damn right!


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RIP. sad
Though I didn't read many of her scanlations, she has contributed so much to the community and for that, this is sad.

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11:39 am, May 18 2013
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Sad.... I really respected her work.... Many do not endeavor for so long in scanlation, yet it is sad to see that someone's passion is snuffed thanks to others' dubious practices....

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6:38 pm, May 18 2013
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It's a shame to see JanimeS close.

I still remember the days when I first leeched Ozanari Dungeon from their channel and now I find out it's been 6 years since then!

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Post #599696 - Reply to (#599304) by SlyzertVoltrond
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7:59 pm, May 18 2013
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Well yes and no.

On one hand this woman is an enormous hypocrite. She never asked the mangaka or the publishing company if she could take their work, convert their words to english, and post it on her site; but she expects Mangafox to afford her a courtesy she never extended to others. How arrogant, I'm glad she's finally shutting down.
I visited her site a few times when it was JanimeS, it was a closed, walled-garden fife where she played queen and mod is god. Fuck her, we need less of her type and more of Hox's.

On the other hand, fuck Mangafox and any other online reader site that makes ad revenue from scanlation. Fuck Batoto too and all the whores that line their pockets with a cut of the proceeds. They're all cancer to scanlation.



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Post #599699 - Reply to (#599696) by philip72
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Quote from philip72
Well yes and no.

On one hand this woman is an enormous hypocrite. She never asked the mangaka or the publishing company if she could take their work, convert their words to english, and post it on her site; but she expects Mangafox to afford her a courtesy she never extended to others. How arrogant, I'm glad she's finally shutting down.
I visited her site a few times when it was JanimeS, it was a closed, walled-garden fife where she played queen and mod is god. Fuck her, we need less of her type and more of Hox's.

On the other hand, fuck Mangafox and any other online reader site that makes ad revenue from scanlation. Fuck Batoto too and all the whores that line their pockets with a cut of the proceeds. They're all cancer to scanlation.




Sadly there's only a handful of scanlators like Hox. It'll be a sad fucking day when he quits. cry

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8:31 pm, May 18 2013
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On the other hand, it will be a happy day when you guys learn to respect other people.
It's obvious you don't appreciate where your manga is coming from, so if you don't anything decent to say - keep quiet.

LT, this goes to you especially.
You don't like scanlators to take pride in their work.
Fine.
We got it.
Stop repeating yourself.
Go away.





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Post #599702 - Reply to (#599701) by NightSwan
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On the other hand, it will be a happy day when you guys learn to respect other people.
It's obvious you don't appreciate where your manga is coming from, so if you don't anything decent to say - keep quiet.

LT, this goes to you especially.
You don't like scanlators to take pride in their work.
Fine ...


I just find scanlators double standards amusing.

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9:54 am, May 19 2013
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Sad to see her go, just like many of the old timers (omanga, storm-in-heaven, snoopy, and hawks to name a few), but I understand that it has been inevitable. The scanlation scene has changed drastically and the scanlation "ethics" that the old timers prescribed to are still as relevant but no longer honored by the new generation.

While MangaFox may seem like the primary "culprit" for JanimeS/Sura's decision, majority of us readers/fans are to blame too for not trying to know more about the scanlation scene, the ethics (though questionable to some) that guide it, the amount of time and effort it takes to come up with a release.

Opportunists like Tazmo are still active and has multiplied and we readers don't really much care. Forums aren't as active as before and I don't even know how simple "thank yous" reach the scanlators nowadays.

Posting here the link on the history of the scanlation scene for those who haven't read it yet http://www.insidescanlation.com/history/index.html

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Post #599769 - Reply to (#599696) by philip72
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1:46 pm, May 19 2013
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philip72, I semi-agree with you.

I would call her enormous hypocrite too if she earned money on the scanlation she did for free. When I started reading her stuff in 2002 (yes I'm an oldie) and till the last time I read her stuff, I never saw any donation button. I may be wrong so don't sue me bigrazz The only thing she did force people was to become a member of her forum as to read her stuff. Also she was against posted her scanlations in other places.

Now if she did that then yes, she's a enormous hypocrite.

I did scanlation too for a decade so I may be a biased and a hypocrite too. I didn't care until I had my own group. You don't like to hear that people are earning money on what you spent time and work. Work what I did for free because of my love for the author's work and wanting to share this love with others. At the beginning you find it annoying, then you start getting angry/whining and in the end you are so affected that you just quit scanlation.

You see, those online manga readers just run automatically after you set them up nicely. Add ads to it. Have people to upload in the beginning and then let everyone else do that same. This way you sit back, have others do the work and then you earn nicely.
In mangafox's case you make mangahere and other online readers so if people don't go to mangafox the chance they will go to your other sites is big.
You can also as mangafox start making games such as Pocket Ninja and Pockie Pirates, or make a counterfeit shop such as Otaku Zone.
Last 3 are stuff that are directly against any kind of scanlation policy that may exist...it's directly pirating/illegal use of copyrighted stuff. These are done by money made from mangafox. Money they made from scanlators' work that was supposed to be free from people to people.

While readers don't give a damn and call us hypocrites (which was one of the reason I decided to stop.) we scanlators do feel that we are alone with the readers taking the other side, or not helping us taking those that are ruining the scanlation community down with us.

It may be sad to hear it from me but after I stopped scanlation and stopped giving a damn, I have been feeling much better. I'm reading what other scanlates and since I know how much effort they put in I thank them for the job they do. I know how big a fight it is for those who tried their best but didn't have the support from those they scanlated the manga to.

About your opinion on online readers. I agree. If people went to the scanlator's site, downloaded, read it there and commented once a blue moon...just that would affect their motivation good and they would continue for some more time.

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5:43 am, May 20 2013
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The scanlation scene has changed so much... so many people taking manga for granted and not thinking about the time and effort it takes to make a manga - the whole reason scanlators started was to share love for something and spread it's popularity so that there were more fans (and encourage these new fans to buy the manga too).

I'm sad to see all the old timers go, and sadder to see ethics be ignored.

sara..
Post #599971 - Reply to (#599769) by T1
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12:52 am, May 21 2013
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Thank you, You said everything I wanted to say

This is really sad :''(
Online saits especially Mangafox ( plus ungrateful people) is destroing the scanlation community I see lots of scanlators complaining about them

For me I go to almost every scanlation group sites of the manga I read and make sure that my gratitude and my love is reaching them ♡
I wish that I can do something :/

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3:16 am, May 21 2013
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Well i try to visit scanlators whose manga i want to read. I do read on aggregators like Batoto as well, because scanlators often link to Batoto, MangaInn or MangaPanda. I do visit mangafox, but if i see new release there, first thing i do is visit scanlators site. Baka updates is not enough because it doesn't track scanlators who don't have their own site and that is sad. sad
I even have my own list of mangas that are scanlated by some nice guy who don't bother to create a site and track them regularly. (Check out my "Read Other" custom list, well some of those are russian scanlations, but mostly it is such types of scanlations that are not tracked by baka-updates)

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