Yes, I can only make suggestions based on what people write. I'm not a mind-reader.


My opinions may mean less because I'm not a scanlator, but everyone is able to have opinion. Especially since the topic of this forum is based from the opinion of the manga READER (with the exception of the option "People who ask: "When will the next chapter be released?")


Sorry, was I forcing my opinions on someone? In a debate, you present your side and hope to convince the other party, but debating is not "forcing". Afterall, I can't make you, or really anyone else for that matter, do anything they don't want to.


And as I said in the statement before, I was making those suggestions because there are so many people only complaining about how much they hate being unappreciated for their scans, without mentioning that they find anything enjoyable in what they do.


Isn't the basis of these forums to talk about your ideas with other people. I don't know where in my previous posts I ever suggested that everyone is like me or should be like me. And am I only supposed to to make suggestions that I know everyone else will agree with?

Edit: and at this point I'm just going to ban myself from talking with you since our conversations aren't doing anything productive. sorry for taking up so much space in the topic with this B.S.

Maybe it's such a great series that they want two times the charm? lol sorry but the thing is that people translate differently and translations for scans haven't actually improved over the years either. One example is I'll give is for two speedscaners, they split the job. One person titled the chapter in a way that would spoil the chapter and the other speedscanner made a note in the comments section of that manga that the title should have been something else, something more subtle but also very profound.

But you're right, it's happening more than before and I've been reading manga online for more than just a few years. I don't mind it. If one does a better job in terms of quality, I'll read that one. If they're kind of equal, I'll read both eventually. Plus it's helpful if one group suddenly goes inactive.

Sir, I think you got it wrong. You MAY be magic since you based your suggestion on what WASN'T written here, not the other way around. Read the sentence again and realize you twisted the argument.
What I was referring to is the fact that you just ASSUMED that scanlators are unhappy with what they do. Is that something you would know for sure as a leecher who's never been to the other side? Maybe you ARE magic after all. You twisted the argument here too.
No, you weren't debating a side at all. You were basically just telling scanlators to quit whining or quit scanlating. Another twist here.
Here lay in my sole point. It answers what I've written in the first three arguments, which you didn't really address with your reply. You took the fact that scanlators hate being unappreciated, dream t up a reality where scanlators work like slave laborers, forced into servitude, believed it was true, and suggested that they quit. That was my sole point. Breaking up my argument into sentences is confusing it.
"If you're the type of person to give up on something you love just because it gets hard sometimes then so be it. But please don't assume that everyone is like you. And I suggest not trying to spread it around while you're at it." That's what I wrote. You broke it off. So, are you that type of person? Someone who gives up when it gets hard? Because going by your comments you are assuming everyone is. And yes it is up to you to spread that lazy-ass mentality, but I was just asking you not to spread it to scanlators, because that will surely be the doom of the manga community.

You confused every little thing I said. You even broke it up into sentences. Of course you'll miss the point that way. I felt like all I did here is explain my last post and had nothing to debate on. To be more clear I will explain what pissed me off so much so you get it okay? Scanlators work VERY hard jobs just to give the leechers something to read. Leechers take that for granted and just selfishly ask for more. But that I get since I TOO am a leecher of other scanteams work. I know the feeling of wanting more manga to read. What I HATE is after all those hard work, here you come telling scanlators to "quit whining or quit scanlating". I know that's not what you said exactly, but that is how I read it. That's a whole new level of ungratefulness.
As I said before, The next time you decide jump into an argument, weigh the gravity of what you are saying. To the mods, sorry for taking up so much space. I, too, am out of here.

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[rant]Multiple scanlators doing the same series, especially when the first scanlation is of good quality and is still downloadable. What's the point of redoing it? I've seen groups redo stories done by Omari's Sister/Crimson Flower, one of the best groups around, why on earth would you redo a story which has been translated and edited well and is easily available for download? There is so much manga out there going untranslated... Why, WHY, WHYYYY?! [/rant]

Seriously though, it's so pointless.

Same here. And the worst is when the shitty translations happen because of shitty proofreaders. A lot of the shitty scanlations are due to bad proofreaders/QCers who have an absolutely minimal understanding of english. What absolutely mystifies me is that groups with these problems NEVER have an opening in one of these positions

So translators are not humans, since they managed to learn a language along with their every day life?

I always knew we were divine beings, but thanks for confirming it!

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Take a look at this thread.
EVERYONE is making excuses about "we have a life" "we dont have the resource". The fuck? Are you living in some cave in the mountains?
You always CAN find a way and the time to learn Japanese, but most of the people are lazy. But all they ever do is find excuses.
Do you think I'm some rich snob that has all the time in the world? Heck no. Still, I managed to set time aside for studying. Now stop telling me that you can't do the same.
Therefore it's not untrue that it applies to all readers.
Either way, the rudeness reader direct at scanlators can't even be compared with this.

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It's not like I'm doing scanlation for the appreciation from the readers.
(For the most time) I work on series I like myself, but even then, if tons of people come to you saying "MOAAAA", it gets annoying.
I don't want your thanks, I don't want your money, I just want to scanlate in peace and complaining disturbs that peace.

Thanks are always welcomed, but not getting any isn't something that makes me quit. Complains on the other hand are a major reason to quit.

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Idiots tell other idiots about that site.

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It's free. The problem is that Mangafox (owned by NOEZ company) and other online readers are earning on the readers click on each single page on their reader. This is cool enough...just illegal. Plus it puts scanlators who are already in the gray zone, totally in bad light with the legal world. Also the problem is when NOEZ mainly takes those money and use them for making games and counterfeit shops which people think are legal and earn money on selling stuff.
So the profit comes to them without the readers knowing. Those who knows (talking about online readers fanbase) don't case since they just want their release.

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Yes but the question is do they read the forum, do they care? No!
They motto is: Well if some group gets banned, close their doors or gets angry and drop the title....then someone else will do it. Otherwise there's lots of titles to pick from.

Wow...I mustn't have a life when you think about the languages I already speak...

Sure I'm not fluent but do you need to be fluent to read or speak? O.o
What a funny thing to say.

If you want you can. If you don't want to you can't. Now if you don't want to admit that you don't want to then in comes the excuses.

Last thing...a hobby is something you use time on. If you can use time on reading manga then you can use time on learning how to read in Japanese so you can read your manga. That's a hobby. Kinda like climbing mountains (I just finished watching Yama no Susume ) where you just don't start at the top but slowly start with finding out how the gear works, what you need to climb the mountain and practice on small mountains and climbing walls..aye it's still a hobby but you do something before you are capable of doing it. If that was too hard an example then I shall pick an easier one: Playing chess. You learn the rules before you play and practice to get better so you can play against stronger opponent.
Same thing with Japanese and untranslated manga...you should know what I'm referring to since you study the language. ^^

"ability" lol please...time you can always make and resources are all over the net. Ability is overrated. You know what a genius is? One who uses all his time with something specific and easier pass others...of course, the dude used most time on the stuff. -_-;;;;; excuses excuses for not learning it.

No the reason why everyone doesn't speak Japanese is that everyone don't got an interest in it. It would be like China...1,351 billion people speaking Chinese. Not because of ability, time and resources but cuz they need to do so. Otherwise they would have a big problem living in China.

I agree with "there's no need to translate for people if they complain" reason. Still explain this to me: If I stop because of one tard, what about the rest of the readers who love the title?

Why are you calling football for soccer? Ahhh, you must be American. Anyway, good thing you are. Let me give you an example which I really find quite annoying that it happens in America.
You people are so lazy that you compare learning Japanese with making a "soccer" team that it's ridiculous. It doesn't come as a surprise though. When Chinese students go to USA to study they can't use their own names. Why? cuz you compare the act of being able to pronounce their names with making a "soccer" team so you just don't do it. Instead they are kinda forced to get themself an american name like Racheal or Stephen instead of Xiang or Dam. Well if you can't respect others by using their real names then it's no wonder that learning Japanese is hard when you compare everything with making a "soccer" team. THAT BIG A JOB, EH?!

Being grateful is fine but even if you can't do Japanese there's lots of stuff you can help them with. I'm quite sure you know that translating isn't the only job in a scanlation group. If you do then I'm sure you are nothing but a leecher.

"When a good series has no scanlations at all"

How do I know if they are(/might be) good, you ask? I've seen them in magazines in JP.

I made a list a year ago, and now that I took another look at it, I see a handful have been picked up in the mean time. Remaining: http://www.mangaupdates.com/mylist.html?id=185425&list=u ser13

2 reasons could be the reasons for that.

1) Having too many proofreaders ends up with people not doing enough and the bored proofreaders starts making problems instead of helping out.

2) Leechers want their next chapter and it can't come out too fast so groups jumps over the proofreading and let the QC'er do it who sux as proofreading or focus on the editing mistakes.

Sucks but true

OEL != Manga, cuz we use manga as a definition for Japanese produced comics. Just like how manhua is for Chinese comics and manwha is for korean. Now that we got those 3 names why should OEL mean manga and not manhua or manwha?

I hate shitty translation too...but that's what happens when there aren't being produced enough Japanese translators and you have to resort to chinese-english, viet-english, french-english translator...or google translate, lol. You can't really expect the old translators to continue until they die, you know...

Anime is popular cuz people watch TV and anime pops up on their TV. This in turn also focus on the manga or novel which the anime is based on and more people starts reading it. So it's only a plus if you want more people to know your favorite title. ^^