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Okay so did anyone watch episode 13 yet? Yet another badass episode of code geass.
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When Shirley died I was extremely sad. Poor Lelouch. I never thought that Rolo would be the one to kill Shirley. That was very mean but you can't blame him, Lelouch was the only one who was ever nice to Rolo. Rolo grew up alone so he's probably selfish and killed Shirley. Shirley really liked Lelouch but she had to die. Everyone I like in this anime is dieing (referring to Euphemia). Is it just me or is Suzaku extremely irritating? Well, Rolo has two types of forbidden love. A brother complex (not really though..) and he's gay.
I never really get emotional or laugh at animes/mangas. The only animes/mangas that ever made me laugh are GTO and Gintama and the only animes/mangas that ever made me sad are Tsubasa Tokyo Revalations/Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle(the OVAs and the manga only, not the anime) and Code Geass.

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I'm prolly being cruel and all but when

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Shirley died


I was CHEERING!!! It was like.. "OH MY 'EFFING GOD!! FINALLY!!!! HATS OFF TO YOU ROLO!!!"

I think the only time I was sad in that episode was for Lelouche.. Poor him.. You don't need her!! You're awesome on your own!!! XD!! And Rolo is awesome.. So cute and lovable.. well for me.

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Well, they didn't technically showed that rolo killed shirley. from season one you should know that they dont show who killed who to let your suspense build up. Anyways, now that Orange joined Lelouch, gonna get interesting


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Well, they didn't technically showed that rolo killed shirley. from season one you should know that they dont show who killed who to let your suspense build up. Anyways, now that Orange joined Lelouch, gonna get interesting


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Ahaha that's okay, I will just imagine he did because well... It'll make him more awesome XD I'll wait until later on in the series when it shows me otherwise but right now... Rolo killed Shirley!!! *whoops for joy*


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Well, they didn't technically showed that rolo killed shirley. from season one you should know that they dont show who killed who to let your suspense build up. Anyways, now that Orange joined Lelouch, gonna get interesting


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Yeh, though since she was still holding the gun it was pretty obvious the only person with a geass capable of making it look like she shot herself... well Rolo could stop her time and have her pull the trigger.

The only thing that annoyed me is that Shirley wasn't like, "Hey Lelouche, it was definitely your brother who shot me. So you may want to watch out." She simply avoided the most important thing she should have said.

Rolo will probably die before the end of the anime though too. If Lelouche didn't just see him as a vessel of his false memories, then perhaps he could be saved... But Lelouche doesn't seem like he'd be too intent to save Rolo once he discovers Rolo's "betrayal."

I liked Shirley though for all intents and purposes. The only female characters I don't like are Nunnalie and Nina... But well, Nina's a psychopathic lesbian, and Nunnalie refuses to see despite the fact that she's physically capable. But now that Shirley is gone, perhaps that will mean less obstruction between Lelouche/Kallen or Lelouche and CC.

Oh and as for Jeremiah... Yeah that caught me off guard. Butttt now he has the ultimate anti-Geass user on his side, as well as a train that can apparently stop this special metallic particle?. Things are looking up for the Black Knights!

Viva le Revolution!


sidenote: I simply hope that Shirley's death doesn't deter Lelouche from the humanity he had been gaining. It's really been helping his character development, and I'd hate to see him revert to the completely compassionless/ally-killing machine.



*spoilered entire thing... was too lazy to pick out what wouldn't have been one.

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It would be pretty illogical if it wasn't Rollo.

Just to look at the facts-
-He already doesn't like Shirley because she "bothers Lelouch"
-She's attempting to encroach on one of his links with Lelouch. The more people who know his identity in the Black Knights, the more people his time is divided between.
-She mentions Nunnally and equates her to being Lelouch's happiness, which Rollo clearly cannot stand at all.
-His geass goes off, and a mask falls, which has been used to symbolize the world conspiring against Shirley throughout the episode.
-She has a stab wound in her stomach, making the angle correct since someone would actually have to come from behind to kill her otherwise.

Even if CG is infamous for plot twists, it's pretty clear that this one was Rollo. The only other 2 characters that could possibly do it are VV and Suzaku, and neither of them has any reason to.

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EDIT: Oh, and Shirley couldn't have known who it was. Her perception was stopped by the geass, so she couldn't know who it was for certain, and without knowing I doubt it would be her primary concern.


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EDIT: Oh, and Shirley couldn't have known who it was. Her perception was stopped by the geass, so she couldn't know who it was for certain, and without knowing I doubt it would be her primary concern.

Yep Shirley wouldn't have known for sure... She didn't know everything about Rolo, but still though I bet she had a hint because she got her memories back and back in the good old days of season one, Lelouch didn't have a brother.

I seem to have forgotten what happened with Shirley's dad. I mean I knew he died and she was sad and then got geassed but why was Lelouch responsible for her dad's death? I should re-watch that part...

It sort of sucked that she died right when she turned "good" and stepped up for Lolouch (I tend to define Lelouch's side as the "good" guys since hes the lead of the show. I wouldn't have minded if she got killed of while trying to kill Lelouch, but I suppose then she wouldn't have gotten any respect from the fans at all. Just like that psychopathic lesbian girl (as someone splendidly defined her).

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It would be pretty illogical if it wasn't Rollo.

Just to look at the facts-
-He already doesn't like Shirley because she "bothers Lelouch"
-She's attempting to encroach on one of his links with Lelouch. The more people who know his identity in the Black Knights, the more people his time is divided between.
-She mentions Nunnally and equates her to being Lelouch's happiness, which Rollo clearly cannot stand at all.
-His geass goes off, and a mask falls, which has been used to symbolize the world conspiring against Shirley throughout the episode.
-She has a stab wound in her stomach, making the angle correct since someone would actually have to come from behind to kill her otherwise.

Even if CG is infamous for plot twists, it's pretty clear that this one was Rollo. The only other 2 characters that could possibly do it are VV and Suzaku, and neither of them has any reason to.


VV? He was in the cult thing with Cornelia, so how can he possibly do it? confused It's a stretch (quite a big one), but Suzuka's theme in R2 is pretty much take anything away from Lelouch that has any importance to him (Kallen, Nunnally). He even appears to use a Machiavellian approach, with the ends justifying the means. I wouldn't count him out for taking out Shirley to inflict some emotional pain upon Lelouch, especially if he happened to overhear her desire to join the Black Knights despite knowing that Lelouch = Zero. Besides, Rollo killing Shirley just gives Lelouch more incentive to kill Rollo sooner rather than later.

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I seem to have forgotten what happened with Shirley's dad. I mean I knew he died and she was sad and then got geassed but why was Lelouch responsible for her dad's death? I should re-watch that part...

I believe Shirley's dad was killed during one of the Raids the Black Knights did on powerful organizations and the like.

On a side note: anyone else think that Sayoko will get her own KinghtMare given her physical prowess and loyalty to Lelouch?

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DAMN IT!

I still need to watch it. And since the main modem connects to me, it'll slow down my brother since he's playing WoW so I can't download at the moment. I do know the main ideas though. But I did see the Rolo and Shirley part.

Although it would be illogical, it would be logical that he didn't kill Shirley as well. One, she's one of Lelouch's Ashford friends. I think Rolo is smart enough to know that Lelouch would have a vengeance for whoever killed anybody from Ashford. Two, observe his body language. It didn't seem like he needed or wanted to kill her. Three, the murder wasn't actually shown. Until the next episode, all of the significant characters are up for suspicions.

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VV can teleport over extremely long distances, broken as that is. So theoretically, it is possible. Extremely unlikely, but possible.

Suzaku sees Shirley as a friend- it's noteworthy that he hasn't killed Kallen although he could have a variety of times. Even if they're on an unjust side, he tries to convert them. While he's not in combat, anyway. The only way he could possibly have done it is if it was somehow a result of the "live!" command, but I can't think a scenario that fits within the timeframe where that works either.

There's no new frame in the new opening, so I doubt Sayoko gets one, unless they kill Gino and Sayoko gets the modded Tristain from the scene with the Black Knights mechs. I would give it to Orange instead though, at least he's trained to pilot it. Sayoko's just a ninja.

Shirley's dad died in the landslide in one of the earlier arcs (was it Narita that it took place in? I forget...). Since Zero gave the order, it was more or less his fault.

EDIT: Look at Rollo's expression when she says Nunnally's name. That's definitely not a calm expression, so yeah, the body language is there. The evidence is so overwhelming that assuming otherwise is pretty ridiculous.

Secondly, he already disliked her, and has the perfect excuse: "She was going to compromise you by revealing your identity and/or Geass". And in his mind, Lelouch would never take vengeance against him. He believes that Lelouch sees him as his precious brother and holds him in the same regard as Nunnally, so he would be forgiven basically no matter what he does.

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If Shirley has half a brain (as we know she does) she should be able to put together:

A. She was talking to Rolo.

B. Rolo was then gone and she was stabbed.

Pretty easy to discern, also keeping in mind that she was talking to him face to face. She's seen the Geass eye, and since Rolo's field has to extend outward from him, she'd see the Geass before her time stopped.

Women are just too focused on the present romance that they can't think about the more important things that would crop up -.-'.

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I hate CLAMP even more after this episode, I've been gradually hating their style of manipulating the episodes and sudden plot twists but this just hit another low...

How many more people are they going to kill just for fun...they seem to kill someone just to have an excuse to advance the plot and force you to watch the resulting episodes...

Gah, suzaku's so dead now, he failed to protect yet another girl, heh, good job.

Even if shirley knew Rolo killed her she didn't have much need to tell lelou. Rolo killed her out of a lot of reasons, but one of them was probably to protect lelou. Shirley might've thought rolo killed her to protect lelou since they both like him so really it's still good for lelou since one of them is still around to protect lelou.

But yeh, sigh, I hope they wrap up this series well with this season...

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since Rolo's field has to extend outward from him, she'd see the Geass before her time stopped.

Those who fall victim to Geass forget about it after being Geass-d, so I don't believe she would have seen it.

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I hate CLAMP even more after this episode, I've been gradually hating their style of manipulating the episodes and sudden plot twists but this just hit another low...

CLAMP only did character design; they don't have any influence on the story T_T

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I think it was pretty predictable that Rolo would eventually kill Shirley because seriously; Rolo obviously has issues and a brother complex. And Shirley would be an obstable so he might as well remove her existence forever and have Lulu to himself. Personally, I find that disturbing. (:

But I guess I'm a bit biased because I never really liked Shirley in the first place. The fact that Lulu was bawling at her death was...mhm, dare I say...ironic?

&& I'm quite the opposite, the animators had been killing off a lot of people I hate. : D So it's all good. Suzaku is annoying but he sometimes has his moments. I also hope Kallen never comes back, I'm actually one of the few that never really was fond of her. D:

Now, I'm just wishing for more C.C. appearances.


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Is it just me that feels the ending song for the R2 is resembles X? I got the feeling that Lelouch resembles Kamui from the X and Suzaku resembles Syaoran from Tsubasa Chronicles (is it because CLAMP that designed them?)

I'm really happy with this episode, when Shirley died, I felt 'banzaaii~~' (the same feeling when Euphemia died ^^), Shirley is not suitable for Lelouch!! teehee... (but I felt sorry for Lelouch, too. don't be sad, Lelouch, there's so many girls out there that is better than Shirley). And the Orange join Lelouch's side (and if Lelouch knows Rolo kills Shirley), wonder what will happen next episode? It's definitely gonna be interesting.

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