Stop right there.

No they can't do whatever they want with their copy. Purchasing a copy just means you have the legal right to view the material. It doesn't give you the legal right to distribute copyrighted works to your discretion.

I know full well what scantalators go through for us and I appreciate the hard work that goes into their translations, especially with it being illegal. I don't mind watermarks either. But if you put your watermark across some character's forehead, it's nothing more than egotistical. That's all I'm sayin.

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I don't mind watermarks that are at the corner(s) of the page. Hmm, I can't remember a series that I had read which contains a HUGE watermark on the page... I don't think I had encountered that... o.o
So it's not a big problem for me.

Oh but I don't like how they place small watermark across the character's face.
:l There's 1 oneshot that I'd read...
and the raw provider just pasted it at the PERFECT spots which I wanted to color over!! gosh Clever heh?

Anyway, isn't it a troublesome thing to paste watermarks on EVERY single page? o.O


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Calivre, Oh, I completely agree with you.

It's illegal and totally unfair for the mangaka's chance to get famous in the world when it gets licensed outside japan and people still go and find the scanlations.

Yes, it's totally egostistical of them, but so is the earning money of their work or not giving them credit for it. (No when I say credit I don't mean the watermark, I mean the creditpage at the start or the end in every chapter) I'd rather give the mangaka money for that so they could get some more money instead of a hoster who got manga that they went to to a groups webpage or irc to download and then starting selling it to others.

And yes they can do what they want with the manga....since we aren't talking about legal or illegal stuff right now. Scanlations are illegal so talking about legal right to view the material is a lost discussing under this topic.



You see there's guy who did use those in his hentai releases <.< red and blue and green colours, but you didn't mind them that much since they weren't that oblique compared to the manga groups do.

No it's not that hard to paste watermarks on every page, actually it's easier to do it than every 5th page in photoshop. So maybe they are just being lazy? O.o

If it's not ruining the page, I don't mind.

But if it's huge and totally taking up a 1/3 of the page, then that's when it gets stupid.
Like Raw-Paradise's watermarks I've been seeing recently. Annoying as hell because it's so freaking big and goes over the images. It ruins the page.

Well placed watermarks that don't take up too much room are ok. I think the whole idea of watermarks is silly in the first place but it's not going to stop anytime soon so I don't really care about that aspect.

@T1

First off it's Calíbre, not Calivre

Second. There are other things that Scanners do that bug me (such as selling scans), but we're talking about watermarks for now.

Third. The reason why I was talking about legal issues was to express my appreciation to the Scanners.

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Sorry was out, real life called...orz

@1: I know that now you are just picking on me, Calíbre(Weeeh copy and paste ). Surely you must have noticed that I made a typo there...with the v instead of b, right?^^ If not, sorry no offense intended.

@2&3...oxymoron. Not to mention you were the one who brought the issue of legal and illegal into this convo. I just said that they bought the shit and they could do what they wanted with it since it's theirs and not ours. I mean you don't want to tell me what I can do with my scans or not, do you? Cuz that would be just too damn funny and hypocrital.

Anyway enough of this...we won't get anywhere untill we start seeing how powerless we are in this matter.
So did raw-paradise owner give any reason why he started to put watermarks on his stuff? I still haven't downloaded those chapters since I normally don't download from his site...since I use p2p and other places to get my raws....and I get raw tankoubans and not raw issues as it is mainly at his place. I went to his place a few mins ago and didn't see anything (still haven't downloaded any chapter though...dunno if there's an exlanation or not) but I'll check it out after I get back again.

Wow, strange to see this topic suddenly getting talked about again XD but since I noticed, I'll join in~! I just FINALLY stopped putting watermarks on PKR's works, altogether. Prior to this, I would put just 1-3 on throughout the entire chapter. I've just been sorta lazy lately though, honestly ^^;

But, I noticed that about Raw paradise...I mean, I never really looked at their RAWs before, but one week, I went and got the MiXiM ones to translate from while I waited for my Shounen Sunday to come in...I was surprised to see that watermark on there...it's pretty...in the way ^^; It was hard to read some of the bubbles it covered, even. I'm the type who doesn't like to use any scan unless I do it myself or I am given express permission to do it, but still...that seems a bit...paranoid...I suppose there was something that made it happen though. Not that I can even begin to guess what ^^;

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I think watermarks heavily decrease the quality of the work and since I'm a qualitywhore I hate them.

Also,.. what's really the point? I've seen scans with watermarks for three different whatever those marks advert for. And none of them were related to the source I got the manga from, which is even more silly. Incidentally one of those marks was plastered right over another mark, thus making it unreadable. Not that I want to read it anyway.


That and I find the notion that they exist in the first place because someone that copied the manga fears that it will be copied again laughable. I mean.. really. Isn't it good enough that people get to read those manga? Isn't that the whole point?

Precisely. You got the scans from somewhere the scanlators didn't want you to get them from, and you're annoyed by watermarks on them. It appears they served their purpose.


No. Leechers who give nothing back to the community are of no value.

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My feelings towards water marks on scanlations depends on their placement, size and where there located. If it takes away form the manga because its too big and you cant see behind it, or if its just something smacked in on the middle of the page... But mostly I have no qualms with it. Only if it gets too ridiculous, or out of hand like this...
http://i41.tinypic.com/mrxnbo.jpg

well there are only 2 types:
1) the ones that make it unreadable or completely disturb you while reading (like in the link above)
I don't see any point. If you scanlate something and make it unreadable afterwords, why bother?

2) the ones you don't really care about because they have no influence
as said just now, you don't care. I just think it's a waste of time, because:
IF you are a good group, I'll remember you even without those watermarks.
IF you aren't this won't leave any more good memories, the reverse, I'd just stay away even more.

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So the entire point of watermarks is to annoy readers? I don't get it.

You waited 7 years & 2 months to reply to a post made 2.5 hours after yours? That's gotta be a record.

I don't mind watermarks but I hate it if they cover the art or cover the text making it impossible to read. Small watermarks are fine though.