Great, now you've gone and jinxed it. Maybe we'll be shut down tomorrow (I'm only half-joking, tbh. I'm not typically superstitious, but the power of the jinx is scary!)

I chose #4 but I couldn't agree more with what you said about those "fans".
My favorite way to get mad and cringe at the same time is, go to any aggregator manga sites (mangafox, mangapark, mangahere etc) and read the comments from those "fans", you'll face palm yourself in no time.

One time I found a top comment which sounds something like this: "Don't you hate it when sites like mangapark uploads all these manga yet they're not completed? Why don't they finish one and move to the next manga!!"

The way they think how scanlated online manga works amuse me

I said that it's bullshit to say that it hurts them. I said nohing about it benefitting them (that's a complete separate issue ..not that I get why you wouldn't understand how it is beneficial to have lots of people know about you and your work...)

Several reasons:
* A lot of the translations sound weird/bizzare/unnatural.
* A lot of the translations have characters talking in a way/manner/style (or lack thereof), that is completely out-of-character for them.
* I know some Japanese. Not to the level of having no need, at all, of translation (except with very easy reads, like Chii's Sweet Home. And if looking up kanji was less of a hassle...), but...
* I know some people who are fluent in Japanese (including professional translators), who have generally confirmed my assesments.

Based on...?
As you, yourself admitted, you don't read a lot of either. That means you are in no position to judge.

On what basis do you claim that all fan translators are inferior to all professionals? (keep in mind that all that "professional" means, is that you get paid, however much/little, for it. It says nothing of your education, qualifications or skill)

All of the mistakes you mention, "that a pro wouldn't make", are thing I've seen countless times, in professional "translations", along with even worse mistakes ...and intentional errors and changes (and no, I'm not talking about fully legitimate changes to idioms, phrases and the like, and similar things, that makes the translation less literal, but does bring it closer to the feel/meaning of the original)

Do those flaws exist in fan translations?
Certainly!
I've even seen ones thay are almost unreadable, due to being made by Chinese people with little to no understanding of English. (which doesn't neccesarily make them worse than some professional translations I've seen, mind you)
Not from all groups, though
...and the fact that shit fan translators exist, doesn't excuse shit "pro" translations, who have the gall to ask for money for their garbage and presume to call themselves pro translators (with fan translations, if they're shit, at least no one has to pay for 'em and no one gets paid for 'em)

There are shit translators AND decent/good translators among both pros and fans translators.
At no point did I make any claim, concerning which group (pros or fans) is worse/better, overall
...and neither does that issue have any relevance or bearing, on anything I've said.

Besides:
If a scanlator does a bad translation, another one might come along and do a better job
...but if you get a shitty professonal translation, then there is, essentially, no hope of a decent translation, ever.

No, of course not
Why would you think that one is any more or less illegal than the other?

Actually, that doesn't matter and I was a fool for questoning you on it ...because I should instead have pointed out, as I now will, that you are again talking about proportions ...which, as I've said, is an irrelevant issue.

It's nice to hear that you acknowledge that, and that you have ceased to behave as if said act doesn't count as shitty or bad translation.

You yourself have said that there are perfectly competent fan translators out there, so you are contradicting yourself.

They remain a perfectly good example of the kinds of bad translation, that I'm talking about
...and that was hardly the only example I mentioned. (I dare you to claim the CR Gabriel Dropout sub, is too old)
Granted, such bad practices might have decreased, after the worst (bit far from only) offender disappeared, but...
Again I remind you: The proportions are irrelevant.

Again: irrelevant

No it isn't. Granted some of the least eggregious cases could be argued, but aside from that...

No I haven't. Not in this thread. Not ever. You are putting words in my mouth. misrepresenting my views
...not to mention that you are, again, going into the same old irrelevant territory, again.

Since every single argument you're making, is the same completely irrelevant nonsense...

...by which you imply that it would be justified in cases where the commersial translation is shit
...which means that you completely agree with what I've stated. That you completely agree with my original comment that started this conversation, with said conversation being all about you disagreeing with what I said in that comment. (that you have just stated that you agree with)
...
That doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO.
Why have you been spending all this time arguing against something you agree with?

As to the "majority"-bit.... (as well as that last bit, that came after)
Again: Irrelevant.