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New Poll - Assuming Genders
This week's poll isn't manga related, but it's an interested one suggested by crimsonsnow00017. When you "see" someone on the internet, which may be say reading a post on a forum or messaging them online, etc, what gender do you usually assume the other person to be by default, without having any other clues or confirmations? Personally, I just assume everyone is a guy unless I know otherwise.
Edit: It's too late, so I am not editing this poll to add more choices
You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903
Previous Poll Results:
Question: Your favorite series has been going for a while now. You...
Choices:
Want it to continue forever - votes: 2963 (29.3%)
Want it to end before it turns worse - votes: 6112 (60.5%)
Want the author to stop to start a completely new series - votes: 359 (3.6%)
Want a spin-off story of it - votes: 665 (6.6%)
There were 10099 total votes.
The poll ended: August 2nd 2014
So the recommendation here is to not get greedy and just end something on a good note.
Edit: It's too late, so I am not editing this poll to add more choices
You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903
Previous Poll Results:
Question: Your favorite series has been going for a while now. You...
Choices:
Want it to continue forever - votes: 2963 (29.3%)
Want it to end before it turns worse - votes: 6112 (60.5%)
Want the author to stop to start a completely new series - votes: 359 (3.6%)
Want a spin-off story of it - votes: 665 (6.6%)
There were 10099 total votes.
The poll ended: August 2nd 2014
So the recommendation here is to not get greedy and just end something on a good note.
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» kitty1826x on August 2nd, 2014, 12:18am
I'm female and I default male.
I think like (is it the romance languages.) where objects have either a male or female form, but most of the time it tend to default with the male form. (I'm probably wording this wrong).
But taking that, I just default anyone on here as male.
EDIT-
I think you should have kept that others option for those who don't want to reveal what gender they are.
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
I think like (is it the romance languages.) where objects have either a male or female form, but most of the time it tend to default with the male form. (I'm probably wording this wrong).
But taking that, I just default anyone on here as male.
EDIT-
I think you should have kept that others option for those who don't want to reveal what gender they are.
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
» FormX on August 2nd, 2014, 12:26am
Poll to see how many people follow rule 16 on MU... so basically the first option.
» frodfy on August 2nd, 2014, 1:06am
I find this poll really difficult. For me, it depends on what kind of website or topic it is. I can usually tell if it is a male or a female just by the way they write, though. Sometimes I think it'll be interesting if someone were female or male because of the way they think but other than that I usually don't mind.
» NightSwan on August 2nd, 2014, 1:21am
I'm not sure.
I try to see what topics the person posts in, what they tell about themselves.
Can't say I've been wrong many times, unless I was purposely mislead.
But I try not to assume anything.
Forums are different, than say, online games.
Some people like to play like the opposite gender, but they're usually upfront about it or you can tell by their overtly feminine or masculine writing to compensate.
Other times... Who knows? I was mislead for years by an online in game friend who played with his wife's account... The tone was pretty butch, but I liked that. We had fun in-game. I even developed a crush on "her". But then "she" told me "she" was a "he". I felt pretty betrayed... It was never the same after that... ._.
They don't have to reply if they don't want to.
I try to see what topics the person posts in, what they tell about themselves.
Can't say I've been wrong many times, unless I was purposely mislead.
But I try not to assume anything.
Forums are different, than say, online games.
Some people like to play like the opposite gender, but they're usually upfront about it or you can tell by their overtly feminine or masculine writing to compensate.
Other times... Who knows? I was mislead for years by an online in game friend who played with his wife's account... The tone was pretty butch, but I liked that. We had fun in-game. I even developed a crush on "her". But then "she" told me "she" was a "he". I felt pretty betrayed... It was never the same after that... ._.
Quote from kitty1826x
I think you should have kept that others option for those who don't want to reveal what gender they are.
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
They don't have to reply if they don't want to.
» whitespade on August 2nd, 2014, 1:47am
im female, but i always assume everyone else is male if the writing is neutral. but any use of cutesy emoticon i will instantly regard the others as female. any use of excessive shorthand i will think of tween girls. i know, im kinda sexist.
» SilverStorm on August 2nd, 2014, 1:52am
I usually assume genders based on the site I'm at. If the site biases a particular demographic or if it's about certain topics, I will assume that gender.
If it's a relatively equal demographic site, I don't make any assumptions or just base it what their avatar/username/post sounds like. (i.e. sakura/flower/sparkle = female, dude/guns/boobs = male)
I'm right about 75% of the time. Good enough margin for me.
If it's a relatively equal demographic site, I don't make any assumptions or just base it what their avatar/username/post sounds like. (i.e. sakura/flower/sparkle = female, dude/guns/boobs = male)
I'm right about 75% of the time. Good enough margin for me.
» tactics on August 2nd, 2014, 3:12am
Quote from SilverStorm
I usually assume genders based on the site I'm at. If the site biases a particular demographic or if it's about certain topics, I will assume that gender.
This.
Most of the time I find myself assuming male, but if I'm on something like tumblr, female is what I assume most because well, I find out most of them are female and it kinda sticks ┐(￣ヮ￣)┌
» Mamsmilk on August 2nd, 2014, 4:26am
Depends on the site. Most sites I frequent have a large male majority, thus I default a male. If there's no indicator, I use what I can from posts or avatars. If there's nothing like that, male it is, since that's who the user is most likely.
The data is anonymous and people aren't forced to vote. If we are doing a gender survey, choosing to not specify your gender beats the whole purpose of the survey.
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I think you should have kept that others option for those who don't want to reveal what gender they are.
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
The data is anonymous and people aren't forced to vote. If we are doing a gender survey, choosing to not specify your gender beats the whole purpose of the survey.
» KaoriNite on August 2nd, 2014, 5:04am
I usually judge by the avatar. If it's male, I assume the person is male. If it's female, unless it's overly sexualized, I assume the person is female. This has mislead me soo many times.
» Aijin-of-Iwa on August 2nd, 2014, 6:38am
Can you please add an "Other gender and I default..." for us non-binaries?
» MinatoAce on August 2nd, 2014, 6:47am
Well...
In social networking sites like Facebook, I don't default to any gender... I believe them to be as they appear...the profile picture also tells you a lot things anyway...
In gaming community(s) like IGN or Steam, I see most of them as Male and they appear to be so...
but, I don't guess, I speak, look at the Avatar and Gametag ... They tells you a lotta things ~
In social networking sites like Facebook, I don't default to any gender... I believe them to be as they appear...the profile picture also tells you a lot things anyway...
In gaming community(s) like IGN or Steam, I see most of them as Male and they appear to be so...
but, I don't guess, I speak, look at the Avatar and Gametag ... They tells you a lotta things ~
» RoxFlowz on August 2nd, 2014, 7:42am
Yeah, depends on the site (as well as avatar and phrasing). But I think I tend to assume people to be male rather than female, or it's just that I see more guys around in general. Though on MU, I wouldn't be so quick to assume someone to be male.
» Lanaaize on August 2nd, 2014, 9:11am
I usually either get an impression from the avatar, username and writing style or I just feel like they're "some internet person", not gender specific.
» Displa on August 2nd, 2014, 9:41am
I am ussualy assumed as male but i dont really mind and I also dont bother correcting them.
» Cthylla on August 2nd, 2014, 9:45am
Since I don't fit into the two "default" genders I try not to assume other people anymore. I've been calling everyone they for a long time now, lol
» hkanz on August 2nd, 2014, 9:46am
I'm female. I don't default. Sometimes people make it obvious with their attitude/writing style, but unless they do, I don't generally think about what gender they are.
» zarlan on August 2nd, 2014, 10:01am
While I chose "I'm male and I don't default to any gender", I do have a natural inclination to default male.
Though I sometimes get an inclination that the person is female, despite no evidence, I am generally inclined towards a male default
...but I try my best, not to assume a gender, and I do think that I have begun to weaken my inclinations to default male, because of it.
BTW...
I see some mentioning getting clues from a person's avatar.
Your avatar is, as the word indicates, a representation of yourself ...as is your handle/nick.
Some people use avatars that depict a character of the opposite gender, and sometimes even a handle/nick, that is the name of a character that is of the opposite gender (or that is in the style of a opposite gender character, like a man having "Sailor X", for example) or simply a gender specific name, of the opposite gender.
In those cases, I have decided that I will, in future, refer to them with the gender of their avatar and/or handle/nick, despite clear evidence that they are the other gender.
Why?
Because they made the stupid choice to represent themselves that way.
(the only exception being game avatars, where your character is good at different things, depending on their gender. Then the choice is, at least in part, due to what type of stats and gaming style you prefer. The fact that they are the gender that they are, is then often secondary ...and in those cases, I often end up choosing a female character myself, because they tend to have the stats that I prefer)
...oh and also: I second the requests for including options for those who don't fall into the categories of male or female.
Though I sometimes get an inclination that the person is female, despite no evidence, I am generally inclined towards a male default
...but I try my best, not to assume a gender, and I do think that I have begun to weaken my inclinations to default male, because of it.
BTW...
I see some mentioning getting clues from a person's avatar.
Your avatar is, as the word indicates, a representation of yourself ...as is your handle/nick.
Some people use avatars that depict a character of the opposite gender, and sometimes even a handle/nick, that is the name of a character that is of the opposite gender (or that is in the style of a opposite gender character, like a man having "Sailor X", for example) or simply a gender specific name, of the opposite gender.
In those cases, I have decided that I will, in future, refer to them with the gender of their avatar and/or handle/nick, despite clear evidence that they are the other gender.
Why?
Because they made the stupid choice to represent themselves that way.
(the only exception being game avatars, where your character is good at different things, depending on their gender. Then the choice is, at least in part, due to what type of stats and gaming style you prefer. The fact that they are the gender that they are, is then often secondary ...and in those cases, I often end up choosing a female character myself, because they tend to have the stats that I prefer)
...oh and also: I second the requests for including options for those who don't fall into the categories of male or female.
» Here_And_Now on August 2nd, 2014, 10:21am
I tend to judge based on how they word their comment(s). Sometimes just by the words or phrasing someone uses you can get a good guess at their gender. I know I personally try to use gender neutral avatars and names, even though I am definitely female and don't try very hard to hide that fact when seriously active in a forum or community. It's just that I have found when only casually involved in a forum, especially concerning more "male" oriented topics, your opinions and thoughts are taken more seriously if people don't know you're female.
» Badkarma on August 2nd, 2014, 10:27am
I try to refer to people with gender neutral pronouns, unless they've openly defined their gender.
» VitaeVivae on August 2nd, 2014, 11:25am
If there isn’t any kind of information available I involuntarily presume female.
But if someone doesn’t have their gender visible and I’m curious, there generally other aspects I'd use to refine the guess - writing style, avatar/username, the website, their profile, the subject they’re talking about, the people they know/are 'friends’ with, etc
Having said all of that, I think the process is predominantly unconscious since I never actually find myself crossing a 'step 3: look at _____’ off of some mental ‘how-to verify gender' list o.O
But if someone doesn’t have their gender visible and I’m curious, there generally other aspects I'd use to refine the guess - writing style, avatar/username, the website, their profile, the subject they’re talking about, the people they know/are 'friends’ with, etc
Having said all of that, I think the process is predominantly unconscious since I never actually find myself crossing a 'step 3: look at _____’ off of some mental ‘how-to verify gender' list o.O
» kitty1826x on August 2nd, 2014, 1:38pm
Quote from NightSwan
Quote from kitty1826x
I think you should have kept that others option for those who don't want to reveal what gender they are.
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
I'm not crazy right? There was an others option there before right? O.o
They don't have to reply if they don't want to.
Quote from Mamsmilk
The data is anonymous and people aren't forced to vote. If we are doing a gender survey, choosing to not specify your gender beats the whole purpose of the survey.
Yeah, that person doesn't have to reply, but in a way that's like saying I made a poll you can vote in, but if you want to reply you can't. (Although I guess you don't have to tell others what you voted, and just explain you're reasoning of what default you pick...)
But what about those who consider themselves both gender or neither genders? The poll is pretty much excluding them.
I mean
Quote from Forum Rules
Thread titles must be appropriate for all people from different races, genders, age groups, etc
(I think that would extent to contents too ... like poll options) I find the no genders or both genders thing to be kind of like being asexual. You may think there's just straight, gay or both, but there's also the option of none. You may think it's just male, or female but there are some that consider themselves both, or none.
(Sorry I should have made that a little more clear in my first edit, but it was 3am ... I was tired >.< )
I also don't mean to derail this topic, but the others option is a valid option to add. (To not exclude anyone.)
Edit
.... on second thought quoting the forum rules to an admin .... I know you know the rules, of course you do, you reinforce them. I don't mean that to come off as an insult lambchopsil. (If taken that way)
» regularsharp on August 2nd, 2014, 3:09pm
If any of this bothers you, then you're a social justice warrior frutlessly looking to defend the nameless and quietly offended.
Look, it's just a goofy little poll on the internet. I don't think it's looking to satify every single stipulation to how one defines their own gender. If it was, how many options would it need?
I can see it now...
When you see or talk to someone on the internet, which gender do you assume him/her/it/himher to be until you get further clues or confirmations?
I'm male and I default to male
I'm male and I default to female
I'm male and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm male and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm male and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm male and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm male and I default to genderqueer
I'm male and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm male and I default to genderless
I'm male and I don't default to any gender
I'm female and I default to male
I'm female and I default to female
I'm female and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm female and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm female and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm female and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm female and I default to genderqueer
I'm female and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm female and I default to genderless
I'm female and I don't default to any gender
I'm genderless and I default to male
I'm genderless and I default to female
I'm genderless and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm genderless and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm genderless and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm genderless and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm genderless and I default to genderqueer
I'm genderless and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm genderless and I default to genderless
I'm genderless and I don't default to any gender
I'm both and I default to male
I'm both and I default to female
I'm both and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm both and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm both and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm both and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm both and I default to genderqueer
I'm both and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm both and I default to genderless
I'm both and I don't default to any gender
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to male
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to female
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to genderqueer
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to genderless
I'm a hermaphrodite and I don't default to any gender
Oooooh... it's been brought to my attention that I forgot one! So...
I'm genderqueer and I default to male
I'm genderqueer and I default to female
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm genderqueer and I default to genderqueer
I'm genderqueer and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm genderqueer and I default to genderless
I'm genderqueer and I don't default to any gender
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to male
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to female
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to genderqueer
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to genderless
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I don't default to any gender
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to male
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to female
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to genderqueer
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to genderless
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I don't default to any gender
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to male
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to female
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to genderqueer
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to hermaphrodite
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to genderless
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I don't default to any gender
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to male
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to female
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to genderqueer
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to hermaphrodite
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to genderless
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I don't default to any gender
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to male
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to female
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to genderqueer
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to hermaphrodite
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to genderless
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default don't default to any gender
That's a busy poll.
And so, the only thing we can hope for is an Other (please specify) option. Or, you know, just not vote if you feel the poll doesn't apply to you.
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lambchopsil , please don't half assedly edit my posts. I don't care if you had to edit it for the sake of the children or because there were way too many bbcodes (did it break the threaded view?), but the way you edited it changed the whole tone, at least in my eyes. And since I'm the one who wrote it in the first place, my eyes are the truest judge.
Look, it's just a goofy little poll on the internet. I don't think it's looking to satify every single stipulation to how one defines their own gender. If it was, how many options would it need?
I can see it now...
When you see or talk to someone on the internet, which gender do you assume him/her/it/himher to be until you get further clues or confirmations?
I'm male and I default to male
I'm male and I default to female
I'm male and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm male and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm male and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm male and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm male and I default to genderqueer
I'm male and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm male and I default to genderless
I'm male and I don't default to any gender
I'm female and I default to male
I'm female and I default to female
I'm female and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm female and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm female and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm female and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm female and I default to genderqueer
I'm female and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm female and I default to genderless
I'm female and I don't default to any gender
I'm genderless and I default to male
I'm genderless and I default to female
I'm genderless and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm genderless and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm genderless and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm genderless and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm genderless and I default to genderqueer
I'm genderless and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm genderless and I default to genderless
I'm genderless and I don't default to any gender
I'm both and I default to male
I'm both and I default to female
I'm both and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm both and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm both and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm both and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm both and I default to genderqueer
I'm both and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm both and I default to genderless
I'm both and I don't default to any gender
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to male
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to female
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to genderqueer
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm a hermaphrodite and I default to genderless
I'm a hermaphrodite and I don't default to any gender
Oooooh... it's been brought to my attention that I forgot one! So...
I'm genderqueer and I default to male
I'm genderqueer and I default to female
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm genderqueer and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm genderqueer and I default to genderqueer
I'm genderqueer and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm genderqueer and I default to genderless
I'm genderqueer and I don't default to any gender
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to male
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to female
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to genderqueer
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I default to genderless
I'm a male on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear highheels and go by 'Sally', and I don't default to any gender
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to male
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to female
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to genderqueer
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to hermaphrodite
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I default to genderless
I'm a female on the weekdays, but on the weekend, I wear combat boots and go by 'Fred', and I don't default to any gender
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to male
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to female
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to genderqueer
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to hermaphrodite
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I default to genderless
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Ken doll down there, and I don't default to any gender
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to male
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to female
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to genderqueer
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to hermaphrodite
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I default to genderless
I've had my genitalia surgically removed and am as smooth as a Barbie doll down there, and I don't default to any gender
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to male
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to female
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritual female in a male body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritual male in a female body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritually both in a male body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to spiritually both in a female body
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to genderqueer
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to hermaphrodite
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default to genderless
I am, in fact, a robot, and I can switch between every gender that ever existed though software and hardware adjustments, and I default don't default to any gender
That's a busy poll.
And so, the only thing we can hope for is an Other (please specify) option. Or, you know, just not vote if you feel the poll doesn't apply to you.
-edit-
lambchopsil , please don't half assedly edit my posts. I don't care if you had to edit it for the sake of the children or because there were way too many bbcodes (did it break the threaded view?), but the way you edited it changed the whole tone, at least in my eyes. And since I'm the one who wrote it in the first place, my eyes are the truest judge.
» Cthylla on August 2nd, 2014, 3:52pm
Quote from regularsharp
If any of this bothers you, then you're a social justice warrior frutlessly looking to defend the nameless and quietly offended.
Look, it's just a goofy little poll on the internet. I don't think it's looking to satify every single stipulation to how one defines their own gender. If it was, how ma ...
Look, it's just a goofy little poll on the internet. I don't think it's looking to satify every single stipulation to how one defines their own gender. If it was, how ma ...
You forgot genderqueer and so many others :v
» zarlan on August 2nd, 2014, 4:05pm
Quote from regularsharp
If any of this bothers you, then you're a social justice warrior frutlessly looking to defend the nameless and quietly offended.
Look, it's just a goofy little poll on the internet. I don't think it's looking to satify every single stipulation to how one defines their own gender.
Look, it's just a goofy little poll on the internet. I don't think it's looking to satify every single stipulation to how one defines their own gender.
How so?
I'm male and I default to male
I'm male and I default to female
I'm male and I don't default to any gender
I'm female and I default to male
I'm female and I default to female
I'm female and I don't default to any gender
I'm other and I default to male
I'm other and I default to female
I'm other and I don't default to any gender
Doesn't seem too unwieldy to me.
» regularsharp on August 2nd, 2014, 4:17pm
Quote from zarlan
I don't know what a joke is, nor did I read the footnote at the end of your post that more or less says exactly what I'm about to suggest.
Fantastic.
» herrdachs on August 2nd, 2014, 3:29pm
depends on where I am on the internet.. while gaming, I mostly assume the other person's a male, by habit and experience. on an internet forum such as this, I don't assume, since I know for certain there are plenty of gals who frequents the forums, just as much as guys. again, depends on where i happen to be chatting with the other person on the net.
EDIT: oh and I agree with above post, add an "Other (please specify)" option
EDIT: oh and I agree with above post, add an "Other (please specify)" option
» SilverStorm on August 2nd, 2014, 8:42pm
Yeah, I actually assume most people on MU to be female. =D
(Unless they're asking for ecchi harem recs or something.)
(Unless they're asking for ecchi harem recs or something.)
» mysstris on August 2nd, 2014, 9:01pm
A lot of the time, the username or avatar gives it away before I talk to them. Usernames are usually representative of the person in some way and the most basic of it is representing their gender. If it is a unisex kind of name, I'll ask for their preferred gender pronoun. But usually one or the other gives it away (username/avatar)
As for other people's posts, the sensitivity towards the binary of gender is certainly spiked. That or people are making a joke of it.
As for other people's posts, the sensitivity towards the binary of gender is certainly spiked. That or people are making a joke of it.
» quark1020 on August 2nd, 2014, 9:14pm
Male here, and I just assume its a guy until I'm told otherwise. The way I see it, most of the places I visit tend to have a higher percentage of male, so the odds are in my favor. Worst case scenario, I got a 50% chance its male 
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Personally, I don't think its a big deal. I don't treat anyone online differently because of gender or their gender identity, and I don't have a taste for crude women jokes, so it has never been a problem when I get corrected.
.Personally, I don't think its a big deal. I don't treat anyone online differently because of gender or their gender identity, and I don't have a taste for crude women jokes, so it has never been a problem when I get corrected.
» BaeSooky on August 2nd, 2014, 9:49pm
I assume female by default.
I've only been wrong twice when it comes to identifying someone's gender. I owe that to Lawx and blakraven66~
I've only been wrong twice when it comes to identifying someone's gender. I owe that to Lawx and blakraven66~
» xxmichellexx27f on August 3rd, 2014, 12:20am
I assume people to be male on most sites, but on manga forum I assume them being female and people being males on anime sites. Probably cos my friends who read manga are mostly girls, and the boys tend to like anime more.
» Aijin-of-Iwa on August 3rd, 2014, 6:53am
Well clearly they don't want to add the "I'm other" option, so I won't take the poll. However, I do feel strongly excluded since it isn't hard to change and also there are many non-binaries around MU.
» lambchopsil on August 3rd, 2014, 8:14am
Quote from Aijin-of-Iwa
Well clearly they don't want to add the "I'm other" option, so I won't take the poll. However, I do feel strongly excluded since it isn't hard to change and also there are many non-binaries around MU.
You think it isn't that hard but actually have no clue. Please don't speculate on things you don't know about.
» Aijin-of-Iwa on August 3rd, 2014, 8:47am
Quote from lambchopsil
You think it isn't that hard but actually have no clue. Please don't speculate on things you don't know about.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be rude or anything. Is there some sort of programming involved?
» zarlan on August 3rd, 2014, 1:33pm
Quote from lambchopsil
You think it isn't that hard but actually have no clue. Please don't speculate on things you don't know about.
That is obvious nonsense.
Take a look at my comment where I show how it can be done, with extreme ease.
Yes, there are tons of different categories (and some debate on which are genuine) and you can't include all ...but you can include "other".
Very easily.
(if anyone complains, just point out the futility of including all categories)
...and pretty much no one would default "other", so there is no need to include any such options.
In other words:
The list of options I mentioned (i.e. just three more, giving a total of nine) is perfectly fine.
Quote from Cthylla
Is the hard part adding a new option because the poll already has votes? If it's just adding an option in general it should be simple to just start a new poll. Or is the site just designed weirdly?
No, they've added/modified options in the past, without any problems.
» lambchopsil on August 3rd, 2014, 3:57pm
I'd have to remake it with the new options, which would force everyone to revote, and I'd have to delete the history of the old poll since it doesn't apply anymore. And it'd also throw off ongoing records of having site polls last 7-ish days.
So despite whatever you say to try and convince me, I will not be remaking the poll. As with all other site polls, taking the poll is optional and is not being used for any sort of research purposes.
So despite whatever you say to try and convince me, I will not be remaking the poll. As with all other site polls, taking the poll is optional and is not being used for any sort of research purposes.
» kitty1826x on August 3rd, 2014, 5:14pm
I guess everyone that would have voted "other" can just reply to this thread with "other" explain, give there thoughts, and not vote ...
But would you please take into consideration for the next weekly poll that has to do with gender putting an "other" options.
I think that you acknowledging the "other" option is good enough. (for next time that is )
I'm not sure if you're thinking this request is like the "where's the I don't care option" For those, I can understand a reply of ' You don't have to vote/reply ' .
These are people who want to vote, but feel that they can't. (Then they feel excluded, probably hurt, and/or offended)
But this is a small matter .... I'm okay dropping this. ( I asked once, you said no, I'm dealing with it. It's not the end of the world for me)
Back to the topic. -
I think I may have another reason why I default everyone to male.
I think somewhere in my mind, I think every male is in love with me, and why not? I'm awesome. (Wow I'm laughing so much in my mind right now.
) Why does everyone need to be male for them to love me? So I can love them back, since I'm mostly straight ...
IIII I'm hooked on a feeling! High on believing, that you're in love with me!!!
(There must be something wrong with me if I think every male loves me ... but one can dream right? lol )
But would you please take into consideration for the next weekly poll that has to do with gender putting an "other" options.
I think that you acknowledging the "other" option is good enough. (for next time that is )
I'm not sure if you're thinking this request is like the "where's the I don't care option" For those, I can understand a reply of ' You don't have to vote/reply ' .
These are people who want to vote, but feel that they can't. (Then they feel excluded, probably hurt, and/or offended)
But this is a small matter .... I'm okay dropping this. ( I asked once, you said no, I'm dealing with it. It's not the end of the world for me)
Back to the topic. -
I think I may have another reason why I default everyone to male.
I think somewhere in my mind, I think every male is in love with me, and why not? I'm awesome. (Wow I'm laughing so much in my mind right now.
) Why does everyone need to be male for them to love me? So I can love them back, since I'm mostly straight ... IIII I'm hooked on a feeling! High on believing, that you're in love with me!!!
(There must be something wrong with me if I think every male loves me ... but one can dream right? lol )
» BaeSooky on August 3rd, 2014, 8:20pm
Bringing it up again doesn't sound like you are actually dealing with it.
It has been acknowledged that there should have been an "other" option. I would think that would bring an end to this, obviously it was a misjudgement. Even that may have been acknowledged already. Nothing's going to change, also acknowledged. Surely, this won't happen again so can people move on now?
Also, just to add. I've been here for a while and I've only seen Lambs change polls within seconds - minutes (on a very off day) - of creating them, there is a reason for that. Believe it or not~
It has been acknowledged that there should have been an "other" option. I would think that would bring an end to this, obviously it was a misjudgement. Even that may have been acknowledged already. Nothing's going to change, also acknowledged. Surely, this won't happen again so can people move on now?
Also, just to add. I've been here for a while and I've only seen Lambs change polls within seconds - minutes (on a very off day) - of creating them, there is a reason for that. Believe it or not~
» zarlan on August 3rd, 2014, 7:06pm
Quote from lambchopsil
I'd have to remake it with the new options, which would force everyone to revote, and I'd have to delete the history of the old poll since it doesn't apply anymore. And it'd also throw off ongoing records of having site polls last 7-ish days.
So...
How come I've seen the poll being modified a couple of times before?
I don't get it.
Was it okay then, because the changes where made early? ...because given that this was suggested, seconded and clarified, all within the same day that the poll was made, as far as I can tell...
Not having the "other" option isn't the end of the world, and if there is a problem that makes it too much trouble to fix I'm fine with that, but...
I don't find the reasons terribly convincing.
» Badkarma on August 3rd, 2014, 8:25pm
Quote from zarlan
because given that this was suggested, seconded and clarified, all within the same day that the poll was made, as far as I can tell...
Not if you live in California.
lambchopsil made this poll at 11:15 pm on Aug 1st Pacific Time. Then he went to bed, woke up, probably had some life to deal with, and then at 8:23 pm on Aug 2nd Pacific Time he made an edit to his first post, which is as he said, almost a full day later than when he posted the poll.
Do you think he's lying to you or something? He said it's too late to fix because by the time he was fully aware of the situation it was too late to fix. Whoops. It happens. Quit hassling the guy, already.
Quote from zarlan
Not having the "other" option isn't the end of the world
COULD'VE FOOLED ME.
» zarlan on August 6th, 2014, 3:58am
Quote from Badkarma
Not if you live in California.
lambchopsil made this poll at 11:15 pm on Aug 1st Pacific Time. Then he went to bed, woke up, probably had some life to deal with, and then at 8:23 pm on Aug 2nd Pacific Time he made an edit to his first post, which is as he said, almost a full day later than when he posted the poll.
lambchopsil made this poll at 11:15 pm on Aug 1st Pacific Time. Then he went to bed, woke up, probably had some life to deal with, and then at 8:23 pm on Aug 2nd Pacific Time he made an edit to his first post, which is as he said, almost a full day later than when he posted the poll.
Only a day.
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Do you think he's lying to you or something?
I am thinking that the explanation is lacking.
As to whether or not this is due to lying...
Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe there are details I am not aware of, maybe there are issues that he's failed to explain, maybe there are details that he has missed ...or something else.
Lying is certainly a possibility that I am certainly not dismissing.
Why not? Well...
Is he someone that I know, and have learned to trust?
No.
Do people lie?
Yes.
Most people do.
Especially when they are criticized.
That said, I'd like to repeat that I don't assume that lying is is the reason.
I tend to avoid assuming, in general.
Not just in the area of people's gender.
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COULD'VE FOOLED ME.
When I hear an explanation that doesn't seem to make sense, I often don't just let that go.
That has nothing to do with the original issue.
In other words:
It's not that I'm hung up on the issue of an "other" option. I'm hung up on the explanation for why there isn't one.
...as I clearly stated in that comment, right after the sentence you cited.
Please bother to actually read comments, before replying to them.
» Cthylla on August 3rd, 2014, 8:20am
Is the hard part adding a new option because the poll already has votes? If it's just adding an option in general it should be simple to just start a new poll. Or is the site just designed weirdly?
» butako chan on August 3rd, 2014, 8:20am
craaaaaap. I put that I was male instead of female D:
» nightazday on August 3rd, 2014, 9:08am
I mostly assume gender depending on how a person writes.
» Cherelle Ashlee on August 3rd, 2014, 12:56pm
Heavily based on the sites I go to i.e manga sites/forums, gaming sites (more males than females) and of course the person's avatar. I myself have always been mistaken for a guy on some of the sites I go to even without a avatar XD. The main reason why this account is so "girly" lol. But, I guess we all can agree that most people usually default male regardless.
» Badkarma on August 3rd, 2014, 2:04pm
I hate the internet. I hate the internet.
» meshy on August 3rd, 2014, 7:35pm
Difficult question.
I tend to think in images, so when I talk to someone on the internet, I don't think of their gender but rather I create my image of that person by their username or their profile picture.
So I guess I don't default to any gender.
I tend to think in images, so when I talk to someone on the internet, I don't think of their gender but rather I create my image of that person by their username or their profile picture.
So I guess I don't default to any gender.
» tsuto on August 4th, 2014, 2:18am
I don't default any gender, I assume according to the data I can get from the user's posts after checking the profile.
» Scyfon on August 4th, 2014, 2:25am
Default male or G.I.R.L until I know them a littler better.
To the people bringing social justice into this:
I expected it...but FFS. Just...FFS.
To the people bringing social justice into this:
I expected it...but FFS. Just...FFS.
» BlueCatPK on August 4th, 2014, 4:25am
Huh? What do you mean by that? There are no girls on the internet.
Seriously though, I base off my assumptions on avatar and nickname if there are no other indicators... but if it is complete Anon, in my mind it is a guy, until proven otherwise.
btw. I'm a guy.
Seriously though, I base off my assumptions on avatar and nickname if there are no other indicators... but if it is complete Anon, in my mind it is a guy, until proven otherwise.
btw. I'm a guy.
» -shiratori- on August 4th, 2014, 4:44am
On this site: female
Cause the amount of fujoshis here is overwhelming.
Cause the amount of fujoshis here is overwhelming.
» scarletrhodelia on August 5th, 2014, 8:47am
Female, default male. Unless the topic is shoujo or yaoi, then default female. Avatars are too misleading, but interests tell the truth, most often.
» Nirhtuc on August 5th, 2014, 8:41pm
This week's poll is a little odd but very interesting! I don't know about others, but I really can't tell if I'm talking to a male or female based on their written language (or even avatars/user pics), so I tend not to make assumptions about gender... unless of course, if it's something like a comment on imdb, in which case it's not too hard to know the gender of someone (usually judging from the kinds of unsavoury or discriminatory remarks that tend to be made there!). 
Edit: Yes, there should be an 'other' gender option, but unfortunately, most people do not think or care about that- the world still thinks in binaries (on the whole). It's just too complex or 'weird' for many individuals to grasp and/or accept. This is just a MU poll, though. There are worse avenues for discrimination... like the census or passports!
Edit: Yes, there should be an 'other' gender option, but unfortunately, most people do not think or care about that- the world still thinks in binaries (on the whole). It's just too complex or 'weird' for many individuals to grasp and/or accept. This is just a MU poll, though. There are worse avenues for discrimination... like the census or passports!
» BlueCatPK on August 7th, 2014, 2:08am
To be fair, even if there would be "other" option, some people would still be angry or butthurt over:
"why is it "other" and not *something specific*?" or "I'm *something specific*, why do you call me "other"? That's offensive and insensitive!"
or something like that...
When it comes to the topic like this, there is no winning with some people.
"why is it "other" and not *something specific*?" or "I'm *something specific*, why do you call me "other"? That's offensive and insensitive!"
or something like that...
When it comes to the topic like this, there is no winning with some people.
» RocketDive on August 7th, 2014, 3:10am
I default male. But I also always gender a person by the way they communicate online, which is probably what most people do anyway.
» Isolated Existence on August 24th, 2014, 11:31pm
I choose not to default any gender. Even through the writing style etc., it is hard for me to tell. Sometimes, on anonymous chats where I talk about anime/manga, the gender doesn't really matter to me. However, I guess it plays a factor in online conversations since when I say I'm male even though I'm female, and the conversation is going well, sometimes the stranger just disconnects. XD
