I was joking in case you didn't notice

so anyone's got any more bright ideas?

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Wow... for something which we're doing and most definitely illegal, we're attempting to dig ourselves further into the hole of criminal activities. Fantastic.



Exactly. If you're going to garner support to do some shitty stuff to some sleazmo bring it else where. Don't attract attention to people trying to keep a low profile guys. As I said earlier, groups can only do that much with the stop tazmo page. And thats our way of trying to educate noobs not to pay for something which they will be able to get for free. If that doesn't work fine, so be it. They don't want to know. But vinceasuma and like minded people who wish to go the extra mile please do it else where. If something untoward does happens are you going to accept responsibility? If you are how so? Will you be able to provide such a means of system again? System as in irc/#lurk/groups/mangasites( DM, MJ, MU...)? Hmm, from what I can see it took years to actually build up. It can be gone in a few seconds. Well 2 years in a group and we got locked out of our own channel, #mangass. Dude listen. I don't think I'm only speaking for myself here. Follow lemon's e.g, come out with a site which hosts free stuf with the ease of narutofan. What he does got no problems nor do I see any problem which may be of direct consequence to us here. Well, whether or not lemon does it is another issue all together. How about I suggest something. Why don't you create a site where this issue can be discussed freely. Away from here. And you should only discuss about his website and not implicate groups nor should you ask them to be affiliated to you. I mean if they want they can join but dont go around convincing them.

Look fellas, however I see it, what scanlators are doing is illegal. We have enough enemies already as it is, do we really want to make more out there. Maybe we should talk to tazmo about keeping our credit pages? Would that solve the problem. As far as I know, I dont really keep track of his site, isn't he crediting Shannaro and Dattebayo? He also did say there were releases from Inane in HQ before.

If crediting is a problem would this solve the issue?

I dunno why you singled me out. I never suggested bots or any of that. My idea was (the same as many others) to infiltrate and educate on the forums. I just wanted to get a lot of people to do it and plan the best strategy. I only got into it with you before because I felt like you didn't want to do anything and didn't want anybody else to do anything either. So, love and peace, mister!

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Life is tough......but it's tougher if you're stupid.

these are the parts of your post that i liked the most.......you're absolutely right....this is pretty much like a helping hand to illegal activities like violating the copyrights of manga series already....we shouldn't be drawing attention to ourselves like this....

concerning the idea about opening another website to discuss plans to attack tazmo in general, there's already the famous stoptazmo forum, which by the way, turned out to be almost as bad as tazmo was (with the addition of no monthly payment and the credit page being kept)....i think the problem here is not about whether tazmo should keep the credits page or not, but about the money...

i don't know if anyone had realized the irony in this, but it seems like karma to me....first, the scanlating group violate the copyrights of a manga series by translating, scanning, or whatever else they came up with, and distributing it over the internet....now tazmo just use those scanlation and completely rip off the credits of each release and distributed it over the internet, with the addition of a monthly fee to acquire it.....i can see why scanlating groups are angry at that, but when you think about it, wouldn't be better that someday, when tazmo collapse and get chase by companies that licensed the manga seires, they wouldn't find out where all the scanlations came from, since tazmo had already removed all the credits?...there're other fans out there that appreciate the work of scanlating groups to distribute the fruits of their labor to manga fans out there....

i believe the only thing anyone can and should do is to spread the word about how tazmo and getting all the credits for the releases of hard workin scanlating groups out there....hopefully someone will be able to create a place for such notices without having to lose their original goals and make that into a business like the stop tazmo forum....

ps: btw, to the scanlation groups that are outraged by how tazmo removed their credits page, it's harsh to say this, but i think you should've expected something like this in first place, when you've already steped into this kinda of business.....distributing releases of manga series over the internet is a risk, because there're so many ways for others to take advantages of that

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The Deviant

I suppose it is true that it is illegal to read/download scanlated mangas online, but there are always those devoted fans (myself included) who'll still go and buy the volumes just to support the author/company, etc. Still, reading/downloading mangas online can be justified if all you've nearby is a bookstore about like, a year behind on the newest volumes, etc of series, and is missing many other series. Also, without the internet scanlations, how would all we poor little americans get to the unlicensed (and thus destined to remain in Japan) manga?

As for Tazmo, I still don't really know what it/he/she/they is/are, but I used to go to Stoptazmo to download my manga... Of course, I immediately stopped after my laptop died from the viruses/spyware from their site

Either way, someone will always be bound to object to whatever it is that you do, unless you completely stop the scans (god please, don't, I'm just saying this) Even then, people will still have issues with manga, about whatever it is that they gripe about. Honestly, here's the facts of life:
1)There will always be someone out there that tries to take advantage of your hard work; it's human nature
2) People will almost always look for an easier way, while avoiding contact with strangers (hence, the creation of bots, AIM, and the internet in general... I probably would use things like IRC if I knew how even though i say all this

How about convincing Evil Empire to join the Tazmo Hunt

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Star Trek XI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZiR-NETDr0

how about baka update, make a rule that only releases with the stop tazmo sign implanted somewhere noticable and not erasable in their manga can have their release announced in the release section

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Starter of Controversy.

The only thing I can think of is a watermark, but I don't know much about those.

I advocate calling the licensing directors of the licensing companies Tazmo infringes upon.

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Operator of Freelance-Manga

Not gonna happen lemon. I don't think Manick will implement such a rule... lol. Hopefully I know him well enough, to assume this statement. And like hell am I gonna do something like that.

a tleast I tried, now you come up with something

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Starter of Controversy.

i'm flattered by your comments but I think you overestimate mu's influence in the community. we exist as a service for the community; not to dictate how things should be done.

not with that attitude! You got to show the people You are THE MAN (or woman, depending on gender, no offense, just ignorance) Take control, be the ONE!

On a side note, we can create the mark and just give it to all scanlators for them to put somewhere, not gonna hurt them my group will do it first if you need someone to step up

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Starter of Controversy.

I do not understand your stand. Are you for or against Tazmo?

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Life, what would it be without so much wrongs and rights?


Star Trek XI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZiR-NETDr0

Eh, just a few quick points:

-I like the idea of having a Stop Tazmo thing in scanlations, but that kind of gives him a lot of power and publicity. One of the advantages now is that people who have never been to NarutoFan don't even know about it. There WILL be idiots who will see the note and then immediately run over there.

-StopTazmo isn't nearly as bad... Kane doesn't remove the credit pages, for one. I know there are a lot of spyware and download problems, and that's becuase it does cost money to run those sites. We're not criticizing Tazmo for needing money in the first place, but for making a profit from things without the permission of, or credit to, the scanlators. Among other things. Yes, there is bad stuff, but the overall morals are way better. That's also a point for anyone saying they can just start a site also offering free downloads... well, how are you going to fund it?

-Licensing isn't always an issue since plenty of manga is unlicensed and therefore it isn't illegal to scan it.