I vote yes/yes.
I find the whole idea disturbing. I live in Japan and frankly there is a worrying amount of sexuality attached to young children. Grown women dress and act like young girl to attract men because cute=desirable. I know that I have no right to judge consenting adults, but I worry about how much of it spills over into not-so consenting children.
I attended natsucomi in Tokyo once, and made the mistake of strolling through the cosplay section. Granted there were some amazing costumes, but there were also a number of older women dressed as very young girls (like under 10) surrounded by men of all ages with cameras pulling sexually suggestive poses. It was wrong on so many levels.
I don't care what you call it, art, free speech, and outlet of desire, sexualising children in anyway is sick and should not be acceptable. I feel that allowing it in one form desensitises people to the shocking nature of the action, thus possibly leading to escalation until real, innocent children are abused. So I'm 100% in support of a ban on all forms of child pornography.
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I don't like or approve, but I don't believe in censorship, so I vote no.
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Outside pressure from america led to crazy things in japan. Most interestingly their continued dolphins killings. The fishers sell it as a form of rebellion towards the world and to keep one last national tradition going that hasn´t been taken away. Watch The Cove to learn more. I actually think that outside demands that forced japan to install clear laws are ultimately good. The old ones had too many loopholes and politics should always be international. Even here in germany things are changing regarding underage nudety. Nudity on daytime tv is still cool and restrictions on violent games have become very relaxed. The best selling teen magazine Bravo though had(non sexualized) full frontal nude pictures of 15 to 20 year old and that one stopped a while ago. Chiaki Kuriyama(Kill Bill) started her career in the same way. But i can´t see a problem that will arise with fictional nudity that is not clear porn in the future. We actualy got our mangas uncesored from the start. Planet manga is selling Bersek as 16 and up here. NOT A JOKE ! Japan and germany aren´t too dissimilar but we legalized prostitution a long time a go and have married gay politicians. We even lost a war together and or birthrates are better but nothing to be prod of eather.
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hard to believe how many in here compare real cp with fiction, like this guy **I don't care what you call it, art, free speech, and outlet of desire, sexualising children in anyway is sick and should not be acceptable. I feel that allowing it in one form desensitises people to the shocking nature of the action, thus possibly leading to escalation until real, innocent children are abused. So I'm 100% in support of a ban on all forms of child pornography. **
sure ban cp,,, but loli aint **child pornography,** its FICTION its DRAWN...how the hell can ppl compare them.......
sure ban cp,,, but loli aint **child pornography,** its FICTION its DRAWN...how the hell can ppl compare them.......
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Hello 
I voted Yes / Yes
Yes, because I wrote from country, where this kind of materials are prohibited. But I am fully aware, that there are countries like for example Japan, which are (in)famous from this kind of stuff…
Yes, it should be banned. And not only this but Ero-Guro also. This site is the largest manga database in the World. You are unable to verify the age of Your users. There is 18+ restriction, but is can be easily bypassed by making an account, but only then it is only show cover images. The content, the summary is accessible even without an account.
This site is visited by many Minors, and some content is unacceptable for them. It is easily for them to accidentally step across things, which They should not see or be aware of it yet. Even on some hentai readers there are loli/ shota restrictions!
There comes a time for everything, sex, drinking, making driving license, reading hentai, Guro, Main Kampf, loli / shota, Bible, Koran, and it is a role of Parents and Adults (teachers, priests, ect.) to protect and inform Our children about it, and any other threads they may encounter in Their lives. Curiosity can sometimes kill the cat. And even We Adults have problems with acceptations of some fictional contents. I read recently “Highschool Girl in Concrete” by Uziga, and I DO NOT wish to mine, or any other minor, children to find accidentally or on purpose something like this, until They will be grown old enough to comprehend this stuff. This applies to any content, to which you just need to be Adult enough.
So for people who voted no /no explain this to Your children why in this hentai fictional manga, You like to read or drawn so much, the main motive could be (using TAGS cloud): “gangbanged, incest, double insertion, double penetration, scat, guro, rape on drugged 9 years old girl with mind break and suicide from guilt of being cut into the face, slut”. Or read Them Nabokov’s Lolita Or let Them sexualize Them self with Playboy, as They wish. And that You really do not want to harm Them by this, or any of Their minor, under aged friends. This is good as long, as it does not hit YOU personally.
Be a good Parents
Thank You.
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I voted Yes / Yes
Yes, because I wrote from country, where this kind of materials are prohibited. But I am fully aware, that there are countries like for example Japan, which are (in)famous from this kind of stuff…
Yes, it should be banned. And not only this but Ero-Guro also. This site is the largest manga database in the World. You are unable to verify the age of Your users. There is 18+ restriction, but is can be easily bypassed by making an account, but only then it is only show cover images. The content, the summary is accessible even without an account.
This site is visited by many Minors, and some content is unacceptable for them. It is easily for them to accidentally step across things, which They should not see or be aware of it yet. Even on some hentai readers there are loli/ shota restrictions!
There comes a time for everything, sex, drinking, making driving license, reading hentai, Guro, Main Kampf, loli / shota, Bible, Koran, and it is a role of Parents and Adults (teachers, priests, ect.) to protect and inform Our children about it, and any other threads they may encounter in Their lives. Curiosity can sometimes kill the cat. And even We Adults have problems with acceptations of some fictional contents. I read recently “Highschool Girl in Concrete” by Uziga, and I DO NOT wish to mine, or any other minor, children to find accidentally or on purpose something like this, until They will be grown old enough to comprehend this stuff. This applies to any content, to which you just need to be Adult enough.
So for people who voted no /no explain this to Your children why in this hentai fictional manga, You like to read or drawn so much, the main motive could be (using TAGS cloud): “gangbanged, incest, double insertion, double penetration, scat, guro, rape on drugged 9 years old girl with mind break and suicide from guilt of being cut into the face, slut”. Or read Them Nabokov’s Lolita
Or let Them sexualize Them self with Playboy, as They wish. And that You really do not want to harm Them by this, or any of Their minor, under aged friends. This is good as long, as it does not hit YOU personally.Be a good Parents
Thank You.
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I was going to leave this poll alone, but the post I'm replaying to made me have to say something.
MU is fine the way it is. Yes, it doesn't require you verify if you're 18, but honestly does that do anything? If a kid can read they could lie and click "Yes, I am 18" anyways, or do the math and put in a date of birth that says they are 18 or older. It would be an added hassle all that when it's contents are already have some restrictions.
If you find of of the images of the cover art too vulgar or inappropriate you can report it.Since
As for the summaries, *sigh* if a kid is old enough to read, and go on the internet alone than he or she is old enough to know what kind of manga not to read, what genres to avoid, and (Since kids these days are tech friendly) know how to use the advance search to exclude certain tags.
If the child needs to be supervised while on the internet, well that's the big deal? The supervisor can quickly go, no don't go there, and quickly click onto another page.
I am not the sort of parent that would leave my kid completely oblivious to the horrors or kinks in the world, but than again I'm not giving full details either. (Just slowly easing my way into them knowing these kinds of things.) But that follows more my logic of if my kid knows enough about sex and all the consequences I'm still not promoting underage sex, but I would know my kid knows better. (Instead of the hypothetical coming home one day pregnant because they had no idea what condoms were, or something)
Don't blame this site for already doing it's job of keeping it all age friendly. It's a parents job to filter these things (either completely or a lot) until they are ready to know of these things.
I do have kids and I still wouldn't want these things banned. If they are old enough to be on the internet by themselves, I can either put parental locks for certain things. Or in my case I may not even do that once they hit a certain age. I know I was already reading BL's at 14. I was mature enough back then, my kids may be mature enough at 15 or 16 for loli/shota but they may not even be into it. (They may just take a glance and then know to avoid that from now on)
Most of what I want to say on the matter zarlan said
I voted No/No if you couldn't guess yet, heh.
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MU is fine the way it is. Yes, it doesn't require you verify if you're 18, but honestly does that do anything? If a kid can read they could lie and click "Yes, I am 18" anyways, or do the math and put in a date of birth that says they are 18 or older. It would be an added hassle all that when it's contents are already have some restrictions.
If you find of of the images of the cover art too vulgar or inappropriate you can report it.Since
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All images must be suitable for all ages. This means nothing sexually explicit or overly violent.
As for the summaries, *sigh* if a kid is old enough to read, and go on the internet alone than he or she is old enough to know what kind of manga not to read, what genres to avoid, and (Since kids these days are tech friendly) know how to use the advance search to exclude certain tags.
If the child needs to be supervised while on the internet, well that's the big deal? The supervisor can quickly go, no don't go there, and quickly click onto another page.
I am not the sort of parent that would leave my kid completely oblivious to the horrors or kinks in the world, but than again I'm not giving full details either. (Just slowly easing my way into them knowing these kinds of things.) But that follows more my logic of if my kid knows enough about sex and all the consequences I'm still not promoting underage sex, but I would know my kid knows better. (Instead of the hypothetical coming home one day pregnant because they had no idea what condoms were, or something)
Don't blame this site for already doing it's job of keeping it all age friendly. It's a parents job to filter these things (either completely or a lot) until they are ready to know of these things.
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So for people who voted no /no explain this to Your children why in this hentai fictional manga, You like to read or drawn so much, the main motive could be (using TAGS cloud): “gangbanged, incest, double insertion, double penetration, scat, guro, rape on drugged 9 years old girl with mind break and suicide from guilt of being cut into the face, slut”. Or read Them Nabokov’s Lolita smile Or let Them sexualize Them self with Playboy, as They wish. And that You really do not want to harm Them by this, or any of Their minor, under aged friends. This is good as long, as it does not hit YOU personally
I do have kids and I still wouldn't want these things banned. If they are old enough to be on the internet by themselves, I can either put parental locks for certain things. Or in my case I may not even do that once they hit a certain age. I know I was already reading BL's at 14. I was mature enough back then, my kids may be mature enough at 15 or 16 for loli/shota but they may not even be into it. (They may just take a glance and then know to avoid that from now on)
Most of what I want to say on the matter zarlan said
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As to banning these things...
Sure, loli and shota may be sick and disgusting, but:
Does it hurt anyone?
No.
Does it create, encourage or strengthen any inclinations towards sexual behaviour towards real children?
No.
Is it used to, in some way, assist paedophiles to either commit their crimes, or lessen the negative consequences they may face?
No.
Does it, in any way, directly or in-directly, cause harm.
No.
There is no evidence to say it does, and plenty to say it doesn't ...unlike real child porn (which harms the victim, by it's very existence, for a start).
On what basis, then, should it be banned?
"I don't like it, so it should be banned"?
...because using that motivation, you can ban pretty much ANYTHING.
There are a lot of manga, that portray rape and/or sexual assault. That's nearly as bad.
There are a lot of manga, that portray murder. That is far worse. (if you don't agree, then why don't we kill all children who have been victims of sexual assaults or rape, so as to put them out of their misery?)
Some manga express certain beliefs or attitudes, that they deeply disagree with.
There are a lot of manga, that portray non-belief in religion, which some find utterly deplorable. Some finding it worse than any of the above.
There are a lot of manga, that portray belief in a religion, that differs from theirs, which they find to be only somewhat less bad than non-belief.
Also, where do you draw the line?
How do you determine which character is too young?
What about characters who are 700 years old, but look like they are 8? Or characters who are supposed to be 14-16, but who have bodies that no 14-16 year (but maybe a 18-20 year old) old could possibly have?
I remember a court case, where the "police expert" (from the prosecutors side), who of course knew nothing of art or how stylized art makes her attempts at measurements rather suspect, was asked by the defence attorney to judge the age of the girl in a particular, rather more realistic, drawing. I'd have judged the girl to be around 20 (possibly 16 ...or 26. Hell she could be 30).
She said 11. (also, she said that, because the genitals where blurred/censored [as it must, by Japanese law], this was intended to draw your attention there, further proving it to be pornographic)
This isn't just a problem with drawings, of course, as people have been arrested for child porn, for possessing porn depicting adults, but where at least one of the porn actors where deemed, by the "experts", using their "scientific" methods, to be under-age. Basically, no one appears to have bothered to construct proper ways to determine if a person is under-age or not, but instead rely on tools that were never meant to be used for it, and which are not up to the task.
...and do you limit it to manga? After all, if you ban loli/shota in manga, why not in all other media?
That would make mountains of renowned, important and praised works, instantly banned.
The bible? Banned.
The koran? Banned
Romeo and Juliet (as previously mentioned)? Banned (Romeo and Juliet are both, very much, underage).
Lolita? Banned, of course.
Any works (many of which are autobiographical) detailing romance/lust in adolescents? Banned.
"Don't stand so close to me" - The Police? Banned
"Hot for teacher" - Van Halen? Banned
"Sweet sixteen" - Billy Idol? Banned
"Walk this way" - Aerosmith? Banned
"It" by Stephen King? Banned
Sure, loli and shota may be sick and disgusting, but:
Does it hurt anyone?
No.
Does it create, encourage or strengthen any inclinations towards sexual behaviour towards real children?
No.
Is it used to, in some way, assist paedophiles to either commit their crimes, or lessen the negative consequences they may face?
No.
Does it, in any way, directly or in-directly, cause harm.
No.
There is no evidence to say it does, and plenty to say it doesn't ...unlike real child porn (which harms the victim, by it's very existence, for a start).
On what basis, then, should it be banned?
"I don't like it, so it should be banned"?
...because using that motivation, you can ban pretty much ANYTHING.
There are a lot of manga, that portray rape and/or sexual assault. That's nearly as bad.
There are a lot of manga, that portray murder. That is far worse. (if you don't agree, then why don't we kill all children who have been victims of sexual assaults or rape, so as to put them out of their misery?)
Some manga express certain beliefs or attitudes, that they deeply disagree with.
There are a lot of manga, that portray non-belief in religion, which some find utterly deplorable. Some finding it worse than any of the above.
There are a lot of manga, that portray belief in a religion, that differs from theirs, which they find to be only somewhat less bad than non-belief.
Also, where do you draw the line?
How do you determine which character is too young?
What about characters who are 700 years old, but look like they are 8? Or characters who are supposed to be 14-16, but who have bodies that no 14-16 year (but maybe a 18-20 year old) old could possibly have?
I remember a court case, where the "police expert" (from the prosecutors side), who of course knew nothing of art or how stylized art makes her attempts at measurements rather suspect, was asked by the defence attorney to judge the age of the girl in a particular, rather more realistic, drawing. I'd have judged the girl to be around 20 (possibly 16 ...or 26. Hell she could be 30).
She said 11. (also, she said that, because the genitals where blurred/censored [as it must, by Japanese law], this was intended to draw your attention there, further proving it to be pornographic)
This isn't just a problem with drawings, of course, as people have been arrested for child porn, for possessing porn depicting adults, but where at least one of the porn actors where deemed, by the "experts", using their "scientific" methods, to be under-age. Basically, no one appears to have bothered to construct proper ways to determine if a person is under-age or not, but instead rely on tools that were never meant to be used for it, and which are not up to the task.
...and do you limit it to manga? After all, if you ban loli/shota in manga, why not in all other media?
That would make mountains of renowned, important and praised works, instantly banned.
The bible? Banned.
The koran? Banned
Romeo and Juliet (as previously mentioned)? Banned (Romeo and Juliet are both, very much, underage).
Lolita? Banned, of course.
Any works (many of which are autobiographical) detailing romance/lust in adolescents? Banned.
"Don't stand so close to me" - The Police? Banned
"Hot for teacher" - Van Halen? Banned
"Sweet sixteen" - Billy Idol? Banned
"Walk this way" - Aerosmith? Banned
"It" by Stephen King? Banned
I voted No/No if you couldn't guess yet, heh.
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No.
Mostly because when you start making fictional works conform to actual laws, then what? You'd close a lot of creative doors.
Mostly because when you start making fictional works conform to actual laws, then what? You'd close a lot of creative doors.
Seinen is RIGHT
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Can we have a poll about GORN and NTR next 
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2) would you really want the police to waste their time arresting lolicons over arresting actual criminal who hurt children?
Indeed. That point is pretty serious.
The police generally have limited resources ...and that tends to be especially true of child porn departments, which are often just the one police officer.
A lot of paedophiles get off without any punishment, whatsoever, because the police don't manage to go through all the evidence, before the statute of limitations run out.
Thus criminalizing fictional child porn not only doesn't protect children, but it makes real sex crimes against children, go unpunished. It shields child molesters and owners of real child porn from the police. Either due to the police not having the time/resources to find them, or to actually go through the evidence.
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yeah, i do. "fake" or not i don't like it. (for the record, don't like violent video games either).
Homosexuality used to be illegal, because people didn't like it.
Women voting used to be illegal, because people didn't like it.
Abolition of slavery was not accepted for a long time, because people didn't like it.
I don't like you, or your censoring attitudes. Thus you should be put in prison, shouldn't you?
You cannot legislate, simply based on what you like or dislike.
Also, what about all the other people who don't like/dislike the same things as you. A lot of people dislike manga, as a whole, you know.
Also, while you're against violent video games, you are perfectly fine with violent manga as the violent Fullmetal Alchemist is in your favorites list ...and I could list the violent manga in your wish list and the rest.
You try to show that you're not a hypocrite, yet you have shown yourself to be an even greater hypocrite.
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I don't care what you call it, art, free speech, and outlet of desire, sexualising children in anyway is sick and should not be acceptable.
Yet you are perfectly fine with rape, murder, robbery, drugs, terrorism...
Not making something illegal, is not the same as viewing it as acceptable, you know?
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I feel that allowing it in one form desensitises people to the shocking nature of the action, thus possibly leading to escalation until real, innocent children are abused.
You "feel"?
...
Yes, why bother with such unreliable things like evidence, reason, studies and science!
Why should we bother with nonsense like "innocent until proven guilty"?
Let's just legislate based on what you feel!
I feel that you should not legally be counted as an adult, because you are too foolish ...and as you count feelings as adequate grounds to legislate, I shall expect that you will try to get yourself legally declared a minor, straight away.
I await your post of how the Japanese government has decided that you are legally a minor.
Also, I note that you have Negima (which, like all of Ken Akamatsu's works, is all about sexualization ...and the characters are all children) in your On Hold-list ...and you can't use the "I only use one list" excuse.
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I figure if it's not real children what's the harm? I mean shoujo is meant for younger girls, yet some have smut in them... which it not really any different from hentai, in fact it's hentai for girls...
Why the need to ban something produced from imagination? I figure it's the same as banning violent video games because "some kid is gonna shoot up their school" or "ban slender man cause two girls are gonna try to kill their friend". So no/no is my vote.
Why the need to ban something produced from imagination? I figure it's the same as banning violent video games because "some kid is gonna shoot up their school" or "ban slender man cause two girls are gonna try to kill their friend". So no/no is my vote.
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Just a question, do you think that the international pressure is a bad thing? I can't comment much on open borders, but for the other issues you mentioned, I do think that there needs to be a change. I wish that the pressure to change was coming from within Japan rather than outside of it, but (not sure if this is accurate) I don't see Japan as really a country that fights for expanding individual people's rights and freedoms. I remember learning how it wasn't until America came in at the end of WW2 that women's rights were expanded. There didn't seem to be a movement by Japanese women to have more rights.
As far as violent sex crime, I wouldn't say that it's barely a problem. Although, I do agree that underage prostitution is a bigger problem.
As far as violent sex crime, I wouldn't say that it's barely a problem. Although, I do agree that underage prostitution is a bigger problem.
Yes, I think it's a bad thing. For example, there is pressure on Japan to become a "multicultural" nation, that is, cancel its efforts of automatizing simple labor jobs and import masses of third world workers instead (like the US and European nations do). The goal of this pressure is naturally to make Japan into another neoliberal paradise, where western companies can enjoy excellent Japanese economic infrastructure combined with third world wages for imported workers.
Not only would such a move make Japanese wages collapse and render many Japanese jobless, it would also spell the end of Japan as an ethnically and culturally homogenous nation. Economic issues aside, I like Japan the way it is. I don't want it to become another little USA and the Japanese people apparently agree with me.
Hate speech laws are another one of these things. They are nothing but an infringement on freedom of speech. Japan is perhaps the only remaining first world society where you can openly say something offensive without getting fired from your job the next day or even getting imprisoned.
I'm all for gay marriage, but if it comes to "gender mainstreaming", the abolition of human sexes in favor of some nebulous fluid "gender", gender neutral education and other perks of the western LBGT movement, I just have to shake my head.
Well, enough off topic I guess.
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wait a minute. the question isn't even clear. Are we talking about porn or characters appearing. Or something like kodomo no jikan? Well I doubt any of these things cause problems, especially since there are many more manga about virtue and being loving. You'd have to go out of your way to isolate yourself from that.
Well personally I'm against other countries, especially the american states, telling people what to do, how to be, or to be more like them. It's beyond disgusting and arrogant. White countries in particular tend to still be arrogant as hell and somehow that flies over their heads. Their looking down on the world, and being narrow minded while thinking otherwise.
Unless it's some place like North Korea or Qatar. These issues involve other people being mistreated, or potentially threatening them.
Well personally I'm against other countries, especially the american states, telling people what to do, how to be, or to be more like them. It's beyond disgusting and arrogant. White countries in particular tend to still be arrogant as hell and somehow that flies over their heads. Their looking down on the world, and being narrow minded while thinking otherwise.
Unless it's some place like North Korea or Qatar. These issues involve other people being mistreated, or potentially threatening them.
