I am now starting to find it distastefull how quite a few people feel like buying manga is the best means. If i buy manga...its not usualy because i'm going to read it in particularly but more because i just want to have it. Most english translated manga online (to buy) is outdated and generaly in a slow translating process, so how can you blame people for searching else where?

Just people voicing their feelings on a possible domino effect on the scanalating industry which seems to have it all!
1. online manga = fast
2. online manga = up to date.
3. online manga = easy acces from almost anywhere...even my phone.
4. online manga = can look at jonres otherwise not liked.
(and possibly other things)

Sure, its freeloading or whatever you want to call it but don't act like you don't know why people don't look to buy manga from online shops which give outdated stuff anyhow.
I wish i had a great sense of nobility but i don't, i just want up to date mangas, variety, constant updates and good quality stuff.
Nothing is free in life, however i'm not willing to start paying to drop the quality of what i am already reading
Offer me a better service then online readers then i will be willing to fork out ca$h.
That sounds fair

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Yeah, a One Piece volume in my country costs less than a dollar . Still, there are downsides too, like the translation is really stiffed, the paper is no good(after a while reading, you see ink on your fingers ), and the government hypocritically goes against manga, saying on TV that reading manga makes you stupid. Thus we can only read Shounen Adventure mangas(Can you believe that Ai Kora is for labelled mature?). Seinen, if published, are not licensed (I think they took the scanlations from the net and print it?).
(Manga has been around my country for more than a decade, and only got licensed properly recently. What do you want? My whole country still uses illegal Windows, Office, PS3, Xbox games downloaded from the internet. They are way cheaper. )

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Yup it's a shame that scanlations are being taken down >_< because the manga sold by u.s. publishers are always so slow with chapters and you'll never see oneshots or all the series created by an author being sold in the U.S...what i'm worried about is when Mangafox and MangaUpdates.com gets attacked and closes down i wonder if that would make all the fans finally snap and take drastic measures X3

Someone in my anime club wrote this and I thought I would share...obviously they know of this site.


"I have some bad news for you. It might be because of this site that publishers are cracking down everywhere.

The owner of the onemanga website quite a while back was trying to sell it for a hefty price. Quite a few figures. The fact that he (or she?) was trying to sell the site and make a profit off of work that is not his/hers is probably the main reason that the publishers began hitting back. Whoever owns the site was trying to sell it for over a few figures...and possibly could of to had the publishers not intervened and scared away the potential buyers. If that were not enough they were also making money off of ads and donations. The publishers saw this as a threat and an opportunity and took it.

One of my manga sites mangatoshokan went down before this and to my knowledge they weren't making money off of the site...they just got scared away. Onemanga though holds a place for deep loathing. It is because of them (and google) that the publishers are striking back.

Google is the other factor that caused to this attack by publishers. A number of sites were hosting material that they deemed inappropriate and since a number of sites failed to comply they went to the publishers.

The end of scanlation hosting sites may be because of a combination of profiteering scum like onemanga and "justice filling" google.

This though does not mean the end. If anything this is just the beginning of a bigger fight. These scanlations do not originate on these large hosting sites they originate elsewhere by people translating them. Some will inevitably drop their projects but others will not. Rather than getting them from possibly money hungering 3rd person sites we can now get the manga from the places that the translations originate.

I will not disagree with you that losing online scanlation sites will hurt the industry but there is no way they can crack down on everything. There is a specific site on the net at the moment that gives you locations on where to fine scanlator sites (not hosting sites persay but others). The site also does not host any manga on the site and therefore can not be attacked by the dogs of the publishers. The site I am talking about is of course baka-updates manga version.

This does not mean an end but a beginning. There are millions upon millions of scanlation sites of people translating manga and unlike the host sites they cannot be attacked. They do not make money off of anything and they are far too many for publishers to even think about doing anything about. So relax your manga is not gone (probably) it is just not all gathered in one place for your benefit. Now you might actually have to go out and search for it and baka manga updates is the place to begin.

I will also make a comment that square-enix a publisher of manga is going to be having an online site with the first chapter free...yeah we now know what to expect of these publisher created online sites and we don't like them. Will they now charge per chapter and even if they cut the price of a volume in half if it is only available online will anyone buy it. Computers die after all and I highly doubt that people will purchase a downloadable version of a manga unless they have some reassurance that they can get it back.

Personally I hate the idea of ebooks or emanga as this may be. It just isn't the same. Although there is an ulterior motive for publishers to be attempting to sell emanga. It cuts the amount of used manga by half. The majority of the manga I've bought (minus maybe three or four series) have all been used. This is not an attempt to help the consumer it is an attempt to help their loss of sales. Many people do not seem to even realize what they are doing. By making everything digital they get rid of the loss of profit from used books. You can't sell a digital copy after all. Not to mention I wouldn't be surprised if the downloads contained some sort of piracy prevention program that could f*ck up things.

There are two other problems though without having scanlators (which I've proved is not true...the host sites may disappear but not the origins). Some manga from Japan will never be released in English and some manga that is released in English has such horrible translations that it makes you wish they weren't ever released in the first place. Many of the publishers for whatever reason get bad translators. The fan translations tend to be much more accurate, researched, better flowing, and more.

My prime example of a bad translation is Ikki Tousen. Apparently they added lots and lots of swearing and sexual content that actually was not in the original release. I've never read it so I can't prove it though. One series I have read and buy is Mahou Sensei Negima. In the first volume alone there are numerous bad translations. The main character makes a Ah mmm (as he is being muffled) sound (I can actually translate some japanese...can't listen or speak it worth a damn though) and the translation somehow turned into "can I have a cookie". WTF!? Seriously. How the hell could they come up with that from a sound? It isn't the only instance either throughout the series are numerous errors. They get better after the first 5 volumes but still every now and then just random or bad translations. I've seen it where they have a character speaking who actually isn't supposed to be speaking (wrong character), I've seen them say wrong names, I've seen them talk about the character who is talking with the character they are talking about. The english translations (official ones) tend to suck. It isn't just one or two manga either. It is nearly all of them. The only one I've read that I'd say isn't is Karin. And I have no idea how that happened.

I will also say that as said earlier the lack of scanlations means that certain titles will "never" be seen overseas...either because of content (although they licensed Dance in the Vampire Bund so all bets are off), length, popularity, etc... It will also mean that no one can read them. If the publishers were smart they would find out through the scanlation sites which japanese manga are popular so that they can sell them over here. Sadly they don't seem to be that smart.

Scanlations also help the fan base spread. I doubt they would sell anything if it were not for these scanlators (which are still around just hard to find). They are going to see a deep drop in their profit and hopefully it will make them realize the benefit of free scanlation sites.

Is this the end for manga hell no. Will people pay 10.99 (the average price in stores...about 2-3 dollars less if bought online) for manga hell no. If anything people may stop reading manga altogether if they cannot find places to read them. Which is why it is up to the fans themselves to make it so that manga is still available to the masses. Don't be surprised to see a bunch of IP hopping websites pop up in the near future. I know of a few websites that will change IPs constantly to make the tracking near impossible. Let the games begin publishers let the games begin." Anonymous

I agree. Not all who read scanlations don't buy. In fact, a lot of die-hard fans are created because of scanlations.

I'm glad there's info here on why OM is going down. It has become an authority site now because of fans. It's horrifying how the owner could think about selling the site based on fan-driven pageviews and hits but the terms of use clearly state that OM has rights to whatever the user uploads.

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Aw, I was upset about Onemanga closing, (I only just found out) what upset me even more though was the post about on the news part of the site.
People were expressing how they felt about it and others seems to be rolling their eyes at them telling them to stop being childish and learn IRC.
All very well, but I tried to use IRC and couldn't get the hang of it no matter how much I tried, or how many help things I checked out. :/
But anyways
I like buying my manga, its always nice to have the hardcopy in your hands, but scans have always been easier to access and I have to say definitely a lot cheaper, I enjoy reading the longer manga such as Naruto and Fullmetal Alchemist, but the only reason I'd buy the volumes is.. if I immensly enjoyed the series, and I had money to buy it with...which I don't have. It's all very well for oneshot mangas or 3 or 4 volumes long but some people just can't get it all x]

I'm mostly upset that all of this stuff has been happening lately about manga and it would definitely upset me if, for some reason, this site was 'attacked' and shut down.

this. Just like i have said in my previous post, the root for all problem here is, you guys who are either just too lazy or don't want to at least spare a few minutes to learn how the system in irc works, cause this mess problem.

Lets not talk about buying manga, illegal or legal stuff, whatever country you are from, and the other irrelevant shit in here. The main problem is the damn online manga site is growing fast because you are feeding those sites popularity by viewing them like some religious fanatic moron who read the bible everyday, and just too damn lazy to get outside and do some work.

The whole thing is piracy, thats not an excuse. Whether it is licensed or unlicensed. I don't care about your ethics and morality, i'm just as dirty as you guys.

The difference is, i'm using my brain by downloading those illegal stuff without attracting attention from the damn authority. How can i do that? simple, by downloading from irc, or downloading straight to the scanslation group site by typing keyword on the search bar in this site.

You , however, feeding those guys from mangaonline site and its like you guys doing some ritual religion in the football field out there , in a communist country.
No wonder , they noticed it , and closing those site because its just too damn plain obvious.
If you want to do that, do it in the underground sewer.

Its like chain reaction effect, now what happened to the irc? Lets just take example from #lurk irc channel. Thats the largest manga archive out there, before those "robin hood" thief from mangasite giving you easier access to the manga. more than half user on irc, now doesn't want to go to the irc again, because there's a better drug out there namely onemanga.So what happened to lurk right now?Their server down, because they need more people to donate to their server.

I can pictures , one or two years later, if you guys keep reading online manga site, there are no irc channel out there because lacks of user and donation. Meanwhile, they began to close another onlinemanga site one by one. Do yourself a favor , by not reading those online manga site.

Damn, people are just too stupid and lazy

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how do you use irc?

havnt followed along with this but just curious in regards to irc..what are the chanels 1 would use in order to replace onemanga ?? are there such chanels that have series that are bit older or that have numueros volumes ? or do they mainly have just the current releases that scan groups drop in ? .. this would be realy helpful and if this has been addressed just tell me were i can grab the info

OMG I cant believe it!!, OM was the first site where I read manga online, I'm so sad
But publishers should also consider scanlations as free publicity for their manga. moreover, readers like me ( I live in Peru, so no manga licensed at all) can only know about manga thanks to scanlations in other languages
Well, sad but true
good bye OneManga

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it's like all manga fans that are reading online is at WAR!!!

hahahahaha you could never defeat us hahahahaha

OM will probably never have manga to read again, but I believe that the publishers will give up by November, and new sites will emerge. Anyhow, if MangaFox goes down, then I guess I'll look for another manga reader. If they all go down, then I'll just google the chapter when a new one comes out.



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Good Riddance!

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I actually don't care much one way or another. I barely use online reading sites. It seems unfortunate to most though. I wonder if MF will soon be following.

well i just hope i that manga scanlations will not be affected in the near future

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