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Post #612956 - Reply to (#612936) by Super Gotenks
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Some random member did.


Yeah, now we can stop talking about it be ecchi or not. That's good though.
This should be closed now though since the matter was settled ? maybe? idk

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Not settled. Guy is complaining still.

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why Fairy tail being flag as ecchi?? if him is the same type of manga like one piece, bleach, and others??(being a typical shounen)confused this flag is right?? Ft never was ecchi why being marked now?


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Not settled. Guy is complaining still.

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why Fairy tail being flag as ecchi?? if him is the same type of manga like one piece, bleach, and others??(being a typical shounen)confused this flag is right?? Ft never was ecchi why being marked now?


Let him complain. One sacrifice for the sake of justice doesn't sound too bad.

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Not settled. Guy is complaining still.

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why Fairy tail being flag as ecchi?? if him is the same type of manga like one piece, bleach, and others??(being a typical shounen)confused this flag is right?? Ft never was ecchi why being marked now?


The argument, all other Bleach and One Piece are both different stories done by different authors and the only thing that could be 'similar' is Fairy Tail's artstyle is a bit similiar with One Piece but it's nothing that makes them to similar to say they are the same infact they are completely different as most people are concerned.Why has Ecchi been added??What's wrong with adding genres? If the Genre fits then it should be added and that is all that is to explain, the reason why it was never there before I assume it wasn't too bad and was more fanservice than ecchi but now there has been so much it is considered ecchi now. This person just wants to start something that shouldn't really be started in the first place. This issue shouldn't need to be blown up anymore than this, and I think the matter should be dropped especially since with all the reasoning it's simple to fix.
The argument he made is invalid.

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Let him complain. One sacrifice for the sake of justice doesn't sound too bad.


Agreed, he is in the wrong. Besides we don't even know who the person who posted that is, if he wants to complain he should post himself for all we know the person could be something someone made up to kill time or something.


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Post #612965 - Reply to (#612958) by Super Gotenks
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Not settled. Guy is complaining still.

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why Fairy tail being flag as ecchi?? if him is the same type of manga like one piece, bleach, and others??(being a typical shounen)confused this flag is right?? Ft never was ecchi why being marked now?


Lol. Typical shounen? Let's mark all shounen with comedy, lets mark all shounen with action, lets mark all shounen with fantasy etc. This complain is like saying all shounen mangas should have the same genres.

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Post #612988 - Reply to (#612954) by Gradonil_Ral
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ecchi
Web definitions
erotic, lascivious, lewd, naughty, sexy, suggestive.

fanservice
In terms of Anime, the least extreme form of nudity or sexually based angles. This may include panty shots, minor nudity, underwear shots, bouncing breasts and other such things added solely for comic effect or ...

this proof which fanservice =/= from ecchi, you dont see in FT characters doing that things in almost every chapter unlike the true ecchi ones.
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No, I'm saying that technically it falls under that category, since there is a bit of fanservice in it, but that I wouldn't categorize it as such.
For me, it's not the quantity of fanservice that determines ecchi, it's the quality - and FT has, IMO, very a mild fanservice.

i'm agree with you, Fairy Tail is not a ecchi manga(fanservice manga =/= from ecchi manga), he is published on kodansha a "normal" shounen magazine and is sold in the world following the same age restriction of one piece, naruto, bleach and others just pants shot dont turn a manga in ecchi is the quality of then, just because few peoples dont like fanservice dont automatically qualify as ecchi.

to be clear, in japan and almost every place of the world both manga and anime is not classified or considered ecchi, is much more like "cultural differences"(what you call ecchi in many places is called fanservice).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_Tail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodansha

i dont say who hiro is not a pervert but not enough to be qualified as ecchi one, otherwise he will be publishing his manga in another magazine.
but tag a manga as ecchi when he not was from the beginner just because "some peoples don't like the fanservice is not something right.

ecchi mangas are the ones like
to love ru
kimi no iru machi
dakara boku wa, h ga dekinai
strongest discipline kenich
Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou

who are heavy focused on erotic panels.

ecchi means "erotic " fairy tail dont try to be "erotic" like the true ecchis.

now if anyone can bring a "clear proof" who Ft is a ecchi manga( a note from kodansha or mashima or even big stores qualifyng Ft as ecchi then ok

ecchi mangakas dont have problem to being labeled as ecchi.

a user say which in every chapter of Ft have ecchi well proof it go to every chapter and show this
"ecchi'.

show on this chapters where the "ecchi:
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c345/
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c344/
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c343/
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c342/
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c340/
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c339/
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c346/

if shor skirts and clevage means "ecchi" then OP is a ecchi manga since have girls using the same sort of cloths.
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c717/19.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c717/20.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c718/10.html
or even another good exemple is magi

where alladin is a pervert children which likes to go to bordels with alibaba.

basically the argument is after 300+ chapters of "non-ecchi" this manga must be labeled ecchi confused ?

Fairy Tail anime is ecchi ?? no
Fairy Tail manga was ecchi before?? no
then why now he must be?(just because some peoples dont like "random fanservice")

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ecchi means "erotic " fairy tail dont try to be "erotic" like the true ecchis.


Suuuuuure girls stripping is not erotic at all. And ecchi means perverted, not erotic, by the way.

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i dont say who hiro is not a pervert but not enough to be qualified as ecchi one, otherwise he will be publishing his manga in another magazine.


lol, do you know how many ecchi mangas are serialized in the Fairy Tail magazine? No? Then look carefully. Ecchi magazine my ass. Most shounen and seinen magazines allow ecchi content since it's so popular.

Now please just shut up once and for all and stop this crusade based on ignorance and fanblindness.

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Post #613025 - Reply to (#613016) by -shiratori-
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Suuuuuure girls stripping is not erotic at all. And ecchi means perverted, not erotic, by the way.

lol, do you know how many ecchi mangas are serialized in the Fairy Tail magazine? No? Then look carefully. Ecchi magazine my ass. Most shounen and seinen magazines allow ecchi content since it's so popular.

Now please just shut up once and for all and stop this crusade based on ignorance and fanblindness.

then again it's make others mangas as well ecchi
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c699/15.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c699/16.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c711/6.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c699/17.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4isZuafTp8g(classic no balls goku one of the most fanservice animes/mangas(or maybe ecchi based on some peoples conception)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7bqzyFiNY4 another dragon ball moments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAel-qYS0wE
or even shinheki no kyojin can be ecchi if naked is what means ecchi
http://mangafox.me/manga/shingeki_no_kyojin/v05/c023/10.htm l(a titan female with a perfect womam naked body without genitaly or niples)


and you are using links of the mangaupdates, again you can external links sources" confused ?
and please you can keep "your mouth" more civilized confused or maybe i need ask some moderator to rememer you to be more "civilized", we are debating.

here FT from amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Fairy-Tail-33-Hiro-Mashima/dp/16126241 03

from wikipedia:
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Ecchi (エッチ etchi?, pronounced [et.tɕi]) is an often used slang term in the Japanese language for erotic fantasy and sexual innuendoes. As an adjective it is used with the meaning of "dirty", "naughty", "frivolous"; as a verb (ecchi suru), with the meaning to do something dirty, naughty, frivolous or to sleep together; or as a noun, to describe someone that is seen as ecchi. It is a synonym for ero (from Eros) and does not have such a harsh meaning as hentai.

The word is not only common in Japan, it is also used worldwide inside the fandom of Japanese media to describe sexual themes or undertones. While the word ecchi could mean anything from mild to insulting in Japanese language, it is used in Western culture to divide between pornography (hentai) and playful usage of sexualized imagery (ecchi).1 Works considered as ecchi do not show any sexual intercourse or primary sexual characteristics. Instead, it is up to the imagination of the viewer. Inside such media, it often goes along with fan service in a humorous way. These kinds of sexual themes or undertones can usually be found in comedic Shōnen/Seinen manga and harem anime.23


from tv troopers:
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Fanservice is found in many anime, in many forms. When it appears to be a major focus of the show, then it's safe to assume you're watching Ecchi.

"Ecchi" (pronounced "EH-chee) is used by English-speaking anime fans to refer to soft-core pornographic or sexually suggestive anime and manga. This is entirely a western invention, as in Japanese, it is a catch-all term for all things sexual, not limited to porn and not really considered a "milder" term. The term "ecchi" in Japanese comes from the pronounciation of the letter "H" in English - "aitch" is rendered into Japanese syllabary as エッチ, which in turn is transliterated into the Roman alphabet as "ecchi". The letter "H" comes from the word "Hentai", but the term as currently used is not synonymous with Hentai.


exemples:
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Examples

12 Beast from the same author as Daily Life With Monster Girl and Deadline Summonner has this in spades, with the twist that they are (mostly) cute monster girls
Amaenaide yo!!
Asobi ni Iku yo!
B Gata H Kei
Battle Programmer Shirase
Baka To Test To Shoukanjuu
Boku Wa Tomodachi Ga Sukunai
Buttobi CPU could be considered a borderline case for either Ecchi or Hentai, though it is marketed primarily as the latter. It stands more or less in the same position as Ebichu — there's a lot of risque material, but it's too funny to be a straightforward Hentai.
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Chobits
Chrono Crusade,
Colorful
Cube X Cursed X Curious
Daily Life With Monster Girl (AKA Monster Musume) has this in spades with cute monster girls.
Deadline Summonner from the same other as the above continues the trend.
DearS (Magical Girlfriend? Not necessarily ecchi. Magical sex slave? Ecchi.)
Elfen Lied — A subversion, the story as a whole is a drama/horror. Much of nudity is Fan Disservice and misleads the audience quite a lot.
Futari Ecchi — Although it does straddle the line between this and Hentai.
Gacha Gacha features plenty of boobs, panties and other lighthearted fetish material, there's even some nudity, although only limited to nipples.
Ghost in the Shell — Man-Machine Interface was pretty well fueled by this. The plot was not nearly as strong as the original manga and there seemed to be more panels featuring closeups of the Major's ass than anything else.
Go Dannar
Golden Boy
Gravion
Grenadier
Hagure Yuusha no Kichiku Bigaku
Hanaukyō Maid Tai
Hand Maid May
He Is My Master
Highschool of the Dead features Gainaxing on girls being torn apart by zombies, a girl cracking open human skulls with a wooden sword while wearing nothing but an apron and a thong, and one particular gratuitous sequence of bouncing in Bullet Time.
High School D×D
Higurashi No Naku Koro Ki kira - these OVAs much more fanservice centered than the original series.
History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi
Hyakuen
Idol Pretender
Ikki Tousen
Inumimi
I"s - manga about a guy who would really like to date a certain girl.
Jungle De Ikou
Kangoku Gakuen
Kanokon. So much hypersexuality in one half hour.
Koihime†Musou jumps between shameless pantyshotting and contriving to get the girls into as many compromising positions as possible, often lampshading it and complementing it with surprisingly classy dialogue and references.
Kyo Kara Maoh
Kyoukai Senjou No Horizon Its use of the World of Buxom trope is enough to land it in this genre. Even without having the biggest breasts many of the woman are still well endowed.
Ladies Versus Butlers!
Love Hina
Mahoromatic
Mahou Sensei Negima!, by the same author as Love Hina.
Mai Otome Zwei. The rest of the Mai Hi ME franchise is fairly heavy on the Fanservice but doesn't focus nearly as much on it.
Maria†Holic
Mashiro-iroSymphony
MM
My Lovely Ghost Kana
Nagasarete Airantou
Nana To Kaoru
Nanatsu No Taizai
Need a Girl!
Ninin Ga Shinobuden (Simultaneously parodies this and plays it straight.)
Omamori Himari.
Please Teacher!, Onegai Twins, although these shows have a bit more serious content than most, especially the latter.
Ore No Imouto Ga Konnani Kawaii Wake Ga Nai
Oruchuban Ebichu (While the show featured material that could be considered explicit, the simplistic art style and goofy premise kept it from being taken seriously as Hentai.)
Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt
Princess Lover
Queen's Blade has no objection to showing nipples, and the proportions of the female characters cover every trope applicable to breasts.
Ranma ½
Rosario + Vampire (the anime; not so much in the manga)
Shinkon Gattai Godannar!!
SHUFFLE!, one of the best examples of Cerebus Syndrome in the genre (harem comedy turns dramatic halfway into the series. Let's not even get started on Kaede Fuyou snapping on Asa Shigure.
Heaven's Lost Property
Steel Angel Kurumi
Strike Witches
Tenchi Muyo!
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - Guren Gakuenhen (The high school AU manga).
A case could certainly be made for the anime itself falling under this, especially Lagann-hen.
Tenjho Tenge
To Aru Majutsu no Index
They Are My Noble Masters.
To Love-Ru (Try looking for even one manga chapter without gratuitous nudity and/or underwear shots. The anime adaptation even has nudity and fanservice in the OP, ED, and eye catches!)
Chapter 48 is an exception, believe it or not. It's probably the only one, too.
Darkness manages to be more Hotter and Sexier than the original.
Ultimate Girls
Zero No Tsukaima
Underdog
Wagaya no Oinari-sama
The Witchblade anime surely delights in showing Masane's... ample assets with VERY LITTLE covering them. However, it's in many ways a subversion - as the actual appearance is quite sexy, what's she doing is absolutely not.
The Animesque comic Empowered. Sex scenes galore, but Godiva Hair and Scenery Censor are flat-out abused.
Sekirei is a pretty ecchi manga and anime series... including giant breasts, nearly naked scenes and lots of nosebleeds from the main male character.
Maicchingu Machiko Sensei was one of the Ur Examples — being a kids show that revolves around new and creative ways for the titular Machiko to lose her clothing and/or be sexually molested by her elementary school students.
Seikon No Qwaser takes this Up to Eleven, especially in the anime. This story crosses the line so many times you'd loose count in its depictions of large breasts, BDSM and milking, among other things. Yet it all actually aids the compelling plot and characters.


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Post #613030 - Reply to (#613025) by syrokor
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Your examples is extremely terrible seeing as FT has more fanservice/ecchi scenes than manga that are catagorised as ecchi manga and even among those you listed and those One Piece/Dragonball and Shingeki no Kyojin examples are just ridiculous. One Piece can be called fanservice since it DOES NOT use fansevice/ecchi/erotic/semi nudity every chapter which Fairy Tail does, it even does so where the situation is supposedly serious or dramatic, every fight involving one female character you will see them in the end half nude barely covering anything. Kimi no iru machi and Hsdk even have less nude/sexual/erotic content then FT hsdk is most definitely an ecchi manga Kimi no iru machi is a hit and miss for me since it does not use it that much but when it does it is on the level of FT but what might be why its considered would be the panty flashing which is not that much, at the very least compared to FT and the booby flashing and semi nudity.

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this proof which fanservice =/= from ecchi, you dont see in FT characters doing that things in almost every chapter unlike the true ecchi ones.

Ft is borderline erotic and lascivious, most of the time the characters are in sexy and suggestive clothings which most of the time fly away and those and not every "ecchi" manga does that every chapter and some of them even show less than FT in those regards. FT has gone beyond fanservice and your examples are terrible at proving and convincing me otherwise.

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I really wanted to believe you wasted 1 hour compiling that huge ass list of "exemples" yourself, but seeing as the english grammar in the quote is actually correct it was obviously not you who wrote it.

You ignore all notions of proportionality, cherry pick service scenes from random manga and accuse them of being ecchi like a little kid who points to others doing bad things when he did something wrong. You are not just blind, you are actively ignoring all evidence contrary to your viewpoint and just push your agenda. Arguing with you is like slamming your head into a wall, so I'd better stop.

Have a nice day.

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I really wanted to believe you wasted 1 hour compiling that huge ass list of "exemples" yourself, but seeing as the english grammar in the quote is actually correct it was obviously not you who wrote it.

You ignore all notions of proportionality, cherry pick service scenes from random manga ...

and other guy did bascially the same...
grammarnazi even here...
omg
looks like we have problens with miss of "civilized" with some peoples(or their are too much spoiled brats).


I believe I already know who you are and where you coming...
is so funny how double standarts works for some peoples naked girls in some mangas is just "fanservice" then in Ft is Ecchi wow...
now i just ask the super goten
read at last 3(6 chapters) from that ecchi list

then read, bleach, op, ft, or any other "popular" manga wiht fanservice and see the difference between then.

while i keep bring references from "external sources" others just come and picking fights with me, bashing me and bla bla bla but none really come with "sources" of their words...

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Ft is borderline erotic and lascivious, most of the time the characters are in sexy and suggestive clothings which most of the time fly away and those and not every "ecchi" manga does that every chapter and some of them even show less than FT in those regards. FT has gone beyond fanservice and your examples are terrible at proving and convincing me otherwise.

and One Piece girls not dress in sex/revealing cloths too...
or magi or bleach or even toriko, sex cloths you will se in "almost every manga", have "more fanservice" dont means ecchi(if not used as ecchi).

even dragon ball have even worse ecchi moments than FT and was called ecchi??

point a ecchi from that list where their does less than FT?

this is a manga which crossed the bordeline between fanservice and ecchi
http://mangafox.me/manga/history_s_strongest_disciple_kenich i/

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There must be something wrong with your eyesight.
Will you please stop comparing FT to other shounen mangas?
Ecchi/Fanservice appears on almost every chapter of FT compared to other shounen mangas. Which appears occasionally or never. Check the last 3 chapters.

Compared to the last 3 chapters of OP, all I see is males, males, and more males. Unless you count half-naked males as fanservice?
Now to Toriko last 3 chapters. What are you counting as ecchi? Naked monsters?
Bleach. No idea what you see here. Girls in school clothing?
And Dragon Ball. Seriously? Dragon Ball? Are you talking about that one stupid scene when goku was a kid? Because other than that, I do not see anything else. Don't tell me you count super saiyans tearing up their clothes when fighting as fanservice.

In short, I agree with what -shiratori- said.
Blind to things that you do not want to see. Deaf to the things you do not want to hear.

PS: Wikipedia and Tvtroopers as a reference?
LOL.



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There must be something wrong with your eyesight.
Will you please stop comparing FT to other shounen mangas?
Ecchi/Fanservice appears on almost every chapter of FT compared to other shounen mangas. Which appears occasionally or never. Check the last 3 chapters.

Compared to the last 3 chapters of OP, all I see is males, males, and more males. Unless you count half-naked males as fanservice?
Now to Toriko last 3 chapters. What are you counting as ecchi? Naked monsters?
Bleach. No idea what you see here. Girls in school clothing?
And Dragon Ball. Seriously? Dragon Ball? Are you talking about that one stupid scene when goku was a kid? Because other than that, I do not see anything else. Don't tell me you count super saiyans tearing up their clothes when fighting as fanservice.

In short, I agree with what -shiratori- said.
Blind to things that you do not want to see. Deaf to the things you do not want to hear.

PS: Wikipedia and Tvtroopers as a reference?
You'll fail college if you use them as a reference. Just saying.


i'm talking about that girl
http://mangafox.me/manga/toriko/vTBD/c203/8.html
as if the dbz phase also dont have ecchi(and again for the sake of of very bad "false fans" dragon ball series is not just z(is second season the series name is dragon ball)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM4J6zza9aQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0h4bIN25bI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13YzP8ccZ3k

in one piece most of the girls(specially lufy crew) use the same "sex cloths" as Ft girls and also we have bath scenes almost everything who happen in FT happen in OP

then you also fail, cuz until now i'm the only one bring "things while the yours just muahuhuahau you fail muahuahaua, ft ecchi muahuauau op dont have ecchi mhuhauahua

then is basically you using your own "opnion" about what is ecchi against what is writing in internet and what is know from japan about ecchi.

well show me "your reference for ecchi"(until now no one showed any reference).

good for you.



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What girl? The bearded man? LOL

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as if the dbz phase also dont have ecchi(and again for the sake of of very bad "false fans" dragon ball series is not just z(is second season the series name is dragon ball)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM4J6zza9aQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0h4bIN25bI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13YzP8ccZ3k

We're talking about the manga. Why don't you actually find the actual manga page to show as evidence instead of showing videos?
Anime =/= manga.
Anime content might be and extra or have not appeared in the manga.

Naked girls in OP? I assuming you are talking about this?
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v70/c699/15.html (Taken from your list)
Lol. You are actually comparing that to all these?
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v30/c251/7.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c341/1.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v20/c161.5/25.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v31/c261/15.html

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then you also fail, cuz until now i'm the only one bring "things while the yours just muahuhuahau you fail muahuahaua, ft ecchi muahuauau op dont have ecchi mhuhauahua

then is basically you using your own "opnion" about what is ecchi against what is writing in internet and what is know from japan about ecchi.

Sorry, I seriously don't understand gibberish lol.

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well show me "your reference for ecchi"(until now no one showed any reference).

Why don't you actually look at the previous page of this thread first before talking?

Anyway, I got what I wanted. You wouldn't understand anyway (seeing as how so many people tried to explain and yet you continue to be ignorant)

Take Care. I hope you won't be eaten by the other forumers here.

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Well here's my 2 cents
When I looked up Fairy tail in 8/10 websites it has an ecchi tag , to me this is saying as a general it is accepted that FT is an ecchi/ has some ecchi in it.

There's different levels of ecchi just like smut. Some are lighter hints and others are barely still in that genre. Just because something isn't at as high of a level in that genre doesn't stop it from being in that genre.

I don't agree with 'oh, well one piece (and others) aren't ecchi so this shouldn't either'
That's like comparing strawberries to tomatoes. Yes they are both red and fruit but it doesn't make them the same, or mean they taste the same.
Even works by the same author may not have the same tags. So the argument that all shounen mangas shouldn't have an ecchi tag sounds illogical to me.

Having this tag is a big deal as I find this website to be mostly accurate when it comes to classifying things (or breaking things down by categories). One of the reasons why I come to this website and tell others how well it is. It all boils down to accuracy ... If fans didn't agree with the ecchi tag then I'm sure less websites would have it.

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