stepping away from all the war stuff, and back to the original post, Korea (now just South) and Japan have been fighting for over 300 years for the Liancourt (Dokdo/ Takeshima) islands, which are a tiny little group of islands somewhere inbetween the two countries. they are almost completely unfit for human habitation, and quite frankly the only reason they even fight over them is just to get one up over the other country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dokdo

Japan also hates North Korea because they accuse them of plagiarising pretty much every product to ever come out of Japan, whether or not they actually have. Plus, in the late 70's- early 80's North Korea kidnapped up to 80+ Japanese citizens. in 2002 Kim Jong-Il admitted that 13 were taken and returned 5 people. he also gave Japan forged death certificates of the other 8 victims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japan ese]

American textbooks are actually fairly neutral on most issues (unless you went to a really crappy school) They usually tend to support the Native Americans in most instances and show multiple viewpoints. Thats not to say things arent biased slightly at times the fact that its in english is enough to make some people say its biased, but in regards to Japan it is just flat out denial on the governments part in certain cases. It doesnt acknowlege the multiple atrocities that occured which in alot of cases were more horrible than anything the Nazi's did. Its not a matter of rewriting history but more about Japan refusing to stand up to it.

In regards to the war Japan was more at fault and was agressive in imperialism. Europe had been guilty of that around the same time but Japan was far more brutal despicable about it.

And in regards to the other nation's fault...well war was inevitable but the wait was more about the nation rising to it. Britain wasnt too clean in the war, at the very least they had restraint, but America (outside of the bombs which were questionable) didnt have any reason to be attacked other than to gain Germany's aid.

Imperial Japan was an evil government, the Axis powers on a whole were an an evil organization. WW2 had a clear line between good and evil that even with the atomic bombs is idiotic to argue against, there is a reason there are so many freaking games about it cause the right side is so clear. Japan was evil (not all the people under Japan sure just the government and what it stood for)

A good deal of the Japananese are rather sheltered from the world and have alot of patriotism that just stems from Japanese society's self image and while alot of people know its rather obvious what happened They dont care to acknowlege cause it wounding to their pride .

On the textbook issue Im with the other countries... the islands are kind off iffy and about sea routes. Japan has little hold in either case and its mostly politicians blowing steam.

All Japan can hope is that Korea takes up to international court but they wont be pushed into doing that. Korea has people living there while Japan doesnt.

Not being anti-japan just feels like alot of people are japanophiles and let it make them biased into trying to show an "equal fault" problem

The textbook issue is just something you dont expect to see in countries that are developed like Japan... especially a G8 nation. Though I suppose private schools are bigger in Japan.

O rly? Then how about soviets who were on the good side while being clearly evil.

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Rewriting history to make your country look good is an age-old tradition. Every country every where in every time period has and continues to do it. One of my history teachers favorite sayings was "The winner gets to name the war, since they get to write the history" and it's true. Shoot, just look at the way American history textbooks have changed in the last 30 years. The history I learned in high school had a completely different slant than the history my parents learned.
As for Japan invading Korea/China and being horrible, having lived in Korea, I do have to say that something had to have happened there. The people in South Korea HATE the Japanese. During one of the winter Olympics, when a S.Korean speed skater was disqualified for leaving his lane, most Koreans my dad worked with blamed the Japanese-American skater next to him becuase he was of Japanese descent. Granted, this is completely biased, since I've never been to Japan or been friends with anyone from there.

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funny I always thought japanese politicians from that time were inspired by another country who was "freeing" Western Hemisphere from European influence. Some generals really believed that they were americans of Asia.(may not be true. this info is from a history book written by an english guy and as we know british give false information ;) )

well if you want to know if its true then you should of researched it..instead of getting it from friends..and history is always written by the winner

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heh serves them right... they reap what they sow.... its kind of what they did to korean and chinese civilians..... use them for lab experiments, and their excuse was " we underestimated the pain they were feeling, we were sure we put pain killers or somewhat for them "... youre right, people DO remember what others did but what THEY THEMSELVES didnt... japan has no right to say anything about hiroshima bombing, because japan brought it upon themselves, they started the war, they know it, the other guys know it, i know it, you know it, and we all know it.....
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whenever i try to bring up the world war II fact about the true history of what they truly did to korea and china... they go waaaay off topic to argue.... they mention something like pearl harbor, point of view, needing resources so we actually helped them from europeans.... thats kind of biased and not answering my question....

so lets look at the facts... japan demends US to be sorry for hiroshima bombing but obviously their not, than thats when they become hypocrits... cause korean and china demands Japan to be sorry, but are they? no, if you look at the speeches they make.... they CALL THE OCCUPATION their OWN SENSE OF JUSTICE, and they call what US did to them AN ACT OF INHUMANITY...... obviously theres some gaps there filled with bullshit... so japanese people thats wondering why america doesnt apologize for the hiroshima and nagasaki bombing, answer youre fellow asian countries questions first, than youll see whats the problem....

japan does not go to those details of the occupation either, cause they say some things like "there are things better forgotten for the sake of peace", trying to the the righteous man, theres no morality on that, history is meant to be told as it is, not exaggerated, changed, deleted, or bullshitized

1 last thing is, japan seems to be blaming south korea in general for what north korea is doing to them... note to self, they are two different countries, they have been after world war II, they only seem like similar countries only cause america decided to name those 2 being distinguished by north and south.... north is communists and south is democrats.... simple.. obviously communists are bad in our minds considering the fact japan used to be one, not to mention a former hitler lovers.....


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That would be an assertion, not a fact. Not that I have any delusions about the Allied powers being good, but to say that there was no difference between the two sides is a bit silly. Compare two shades of gray and you can generally pick out the darker one. Every allied power had practiced imperialism, but the kind practiced by the Japanese and Germans was of a far more heinous, brutal kind than even the bloodiest regime in any British or French colony. And as it turned out, the Germans were bent on the complete eradication of several groups of people. The Allies were quite clearly less evil than the Axis powers, judged by your considerations or mine.



Apologize? We rebuilt their country, essentially making it into what it is today. Who else have we done that for, so successfully? I'd say that's worth far more than any token political gesture.

In any case, this has been said, but I think it bears reiterating: yes, *every* country rewrites or manipulates history to a certain extent in order to make itself look better to its citizens and the world. There is a difference, however, between acknowledging that something happened and whitewashing it a bit (or a lot), and completely omitting events from the history books so that the average Japanese literally has no idea many of these things happened.

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We rebuild every country....but we also fight with every country. and just b/c the japanese omit a lot of their history, doesnt' mean that the average american knows our actual history. there's some pretty scary facts out there.

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This a very weird topic, someone complains Japan rewrites history and then defends a unreal history, trying to say that the use of nuclear bombs was clearly justified. Humans are all insane.



Correction: They rebuild their own country, USA only lent the money. Do you ever wonder why japanese die from overwork, even today?

ekm I don't know if it was justified but it worked. Yea its a fact that the first bomb made them just mad but the second showed them how hopeless their position was.

The answer is yes, Japan has alot of stuff that they'd rather cover up to make them look good or better, its like how Germany denies that the holocaust never happened, truely, Ignorance is bliss.

Nazi's where? As in EU you will get locked up for that =o

>3> after speculation i edited it to Germany, its almsot 1 in the morning... gimme a break XD