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9:42 am, Jun 15 2015
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lambchopsil´s linked Doujinshi guidelines are reasonable and thought out firstly.

I also agree and welcome the decision to have novels that don´t relate to our 3 different versions of Asian comics exiled as the sites focus has been slipping away during the last 2-ish years. These aren´t "harmful" and i have no problems with all this detritus on a personal level as i use the site as a research database first and foremost but the point of mangaupdates shouldn´t be these.
The ones mentioned by calstine (~ wink ) are proper (light) novels with a real Japanese publisher behind them so I assume that these are and should be save as long as they are available in English in one way or another.

Artbooks based on printed media are and should be fine but rare anime only exceptions as Gungrave and to a lesser degree Kidou Senshi Gundam UC - Prismatic Mobiles should leave to never return.

Our rare OEL´s haven´t been mentioned but clear Bande dessinée as Freaks' Squeele or regular American comics as Avatar: The Last Airbender - The Promise shouldn´t stay either but American manga (for a lack of a better term) as Twilight (KIM Young) or Interview with the Vampire: Claudia's Story make sense to me due to the form factor and the publishers involved.

@The admins: Webtoons need to be considered with the utmost of care as this is where the wind is blowing due to the slipping state of tghe printing market. Especially Korea has been a pioneer in a way few others countries are and first run manga or even collected volumes have increased exponentially on this front during the last few years.
holy`bell explained to me once that i should only submit webmanga that are backed by a popper web presence of a real publisher and thus refused the admittance of the self published The Penisman by ISHIDA Sui amongst others despite the responsible name.
That notion is logical and has my full support as it is very easy to set up a word document or excel sheet to keep count at home.

The site was and will lastly never be run by a majority vote and a functioning database can´t be. I also have and will have divergent opinions with the officials of MU and that is fine but this site is very well run overall and i thank everyone involved for their hard work and 100% believe that this trimming of fat and refocusing on the original goal of MU is a healthy way into the future and a plus for the manga scanlation scene. Thank you for your time.

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I would also advise to keep webtoons, even if you create a category for them instead of adding them to manhwa. There are too many wonderful korean webtoons, that aren't published for some reason (being on Naver doesn't mean it's published. Which is sad), and it would be a great loss to lose track of them. I love MU for being able to keep track of my manga/manhua/manhwa (and webtoons included)!
Keep in mind that not everyone has money to invest in proper paper publishing nowadays and that doesn't make them less of an author.

I can't believe there are that many people discriminating manhwa and manhua just because they are not called manga. They are eastern comics, they share some traits and that's good enough for me to keep them here. If you don't like them, just don't read them... I hope you are being sarcastic, honestly.

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9:49 am, Jun 15 2015
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Hey there,

I think that it would be detrimental to the community and the side in general to just delete everything besides manga. I myself am but a lurker and cannot understand how much work it is to manage everything but I, and the majority of people I know who visit this site read manga, novels and sometimes doujinshi. The current side allows diversity and allows everybody to find what they like. If you shut everything but manga down it will inconvenience very many users.

Instead of deleting I would like to see a good filter system which can be applied. This way, nothing will be lost, no one will be inconvenienced and instead of removing, a bonus feature will be created which makes people happy. Users who read everything can still see novels and doujinshi and will not be disappointed and for the ones who want to focus on manga they can simply select "manga only". It should also not be that much more work in comparison to deleting, because instead of deleting you just tag them as novels.

Thank you very much for considering our opinions.

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Post #667112 - Reply to (#667105) by cclark777
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9:51 am, Jun 15 2015
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Yet this manga isn't allowed to be added.

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9:51 am, Jun 15 2015
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But how are self-published original online novels related to manga? This is a good place to draw the line, even if it's somehow inconvenient to you. Otherwise, for my own convenience, let's also start indexing j-drama fansubs. And I'm sure someone will want anime too. What's the problem with that? If you don't like it, filter it out.


Go to baka-updates for anime.

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10:18 am, Jun 15 2015
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A poll with the options the admins are considering would probably solve this.

Just a warning, people. Now would be a GREAT time to save any lists you may have, since some series are threatened to be taken out.

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10:48 am, Jun 15 2015
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Ok I just looked up the number of series listed on this site and it came up around 109,450. Now out of that only 734 are novels, 118 are art books, 18,072 are doujin, 87,986 are Manga, 7 are drama CD, 1,682 are Manhwa, 631 are Manhua, and 252 are OEL. from what I can see the biggest problem is doujinshi based off of numbers.

Also if you do go with getting rid of 21,496 series give us a heads up on the day it will be done so we can record the things we are reading and who is translating them. Thanks


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10:54 am, Jun 15 2015
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Please keep novels (or at least spin off MU so there can be a dedicated site for novels) since this place is the only dependable aggregation of release news (as well as simple) that can be sorted by genre as well as picking up new novels based on whatever plot synopsis is provided.

Another suggestion would be to allow users to check off what releases they want to see on their User CP (Doujin, Manga, Manhua, Novels, Other, etc.) so that nobody has to step on anyone else's toes.

All I can say is that without MU, I wouldn't have been able to pick up even a fraction of the novels I currently read. Yes, this is a fresh account, but I don't feel comfortable using my actual account to make a post.

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10:59 am, Jun 15 2015
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I'd like it if we could somehow keep both manga and novels and having a separate category for each different type of genre(manga, novel, manhua, etc) as it's become apparent that many people use the site now for both manga and novel.

As this site had existed for the purpose of informing the reader when the translator had updated a chapter for a manga, novel, etc series and because all translators use this site, no other site had been created for novels or any other form of media(as far as I know) for the convenience of informing when a series had been updated and a way to keep track of how far a reader was into a title.

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11:19 am, Jun 15 2015
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Just adding my bit here. I completely agree with the proposed policy changes since this is an Asian comics site and novels, especially web ones that are not backed by publishers, don't really belong here in my opinion.

As for webtoon/comics, I agree with what residentgrigo and others have said about it. Comics, especially ones in South Korea, are moving more to the web and since I believe that site is first and foremost a site dedicated to Asian comics, allowing webtoons/comics that aren't self-published here would be the best way to go. Personally, I use I different site for self published webcomics.

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11:28 am, Jun 15 2015
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you should keep the novels, it's very convenient to be able to search them. but on the other hand it's annoying to find them among other manga. so some way to keep them separate would be best i think. confused

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1:34 pm, Jun 15 2015
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isn't better to enhance the filtering and make it more user friendly (it's already good but some people don't really care about it yet because either they don't know or they'r too lazy to apply the filter mmm... bigrazz

Post #667127 - Reply to (#667058) by connerity
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2:17 pm, Jun 15 2015
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Actually there are big differences between those two (manhwa and webtoons) since conception to publishing. But the thing is that webtoon is a really huge market now. I lived in Seoul and remember seeing lots of advertisement of famous webtoons and some that are now released in hardcopy.

Taking a look at how it is changing, I don't think it's unreasonable to quit tracking webtoon releases. The number of released series is increasing but now we have big aggregators which are also official publishers (Tapastic, for Daum; LINE Webtoon, for Naver and which uses MU). It is worth point that they also accept releases from Western artists.

The quality of their releases (specially LINE Webtoon regarding typesetting) still needs to be improved, but I feel they are doing a decent job most of times.

Post #667128 - Reply to (#667068) by Laclongquan
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2:43 pm, Jun 15 2015
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and make it optional,
the normal release page is with the novel filter active
but you can deactivate it

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3:24 pm, Jun 15 2015
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I would prefer that novels (LN and WN) were kept with an optional filter as not to offend the manga purists.

I don't really care about the doujins as exhentai is really the place you want to go to see if anything new is out.

That being said, it basically sounds like BU wants to go back to being niche instead of being a convenient one stop place to find information.



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