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Previous Poll Results:
Question: Your opinion on series that detour from the main plot line
Choices:
I want them to always stick to the main story! - votes: 1378 (12.5%)
The occasional one chapter side story is fine - votes: 6512 (59%)
An entire side arc is good every once in a while - votes: 2517 (22.8%)
Any amount is fine - votes: 625 (5.7%)
There were 11032 total votes.
The poll ended: October 6th 2012
Most of us don't mind the occasional side branch, but get on with the main plot!
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» NightSwan on October 6th, 2012, 12:52pm
It's pretty hard to ignore with names like "Yamada".
Unless, of course, I'm given a reason to think otherwise...
Not that it matters to me one way or another.
» deadhoney on October 6th, 2012, 2:04pm
But then again there are even cases then you can't exactly tell if a character is meant to be black/brown/or simply strongly tanned because the art style doesn't give that. duh~
But does it matter? Can't manga be that one imaginary world where races don't matter?
» gundamgundam on October 6th, 2012, 2:09pm
I have exactly the same thoughts about it. lambchopsil, could you please add that option to the poll or is it too late to do it?
» whatnot on October 6th, 2012, 2:25pm
that option is too neutral and I think some of us are bored by that kind of response
third choice for moi
» takeva on October 6th, 2012, 2:26pm
+10000
I completely agree.
» tactics on October 6th, 2012, 2:54pm
» FormX on October 6th, 2012, 3:18pm
» DarrisonSaber on October 6th, 2012, 3:39pm
» alexdhamp on October 7th, 2012, 10:02am
» Whatever on October 6th, 2012, 3:42pm
» MangaGhost on October 6th, 2012, 4:09pm
» soja75 on October 6th, 2012, 4:45pm
but before i know i always think of them as Asian
» crazy_addiction95 on October 6th, 2012, 5:04pm
To me, if there is no specific setting or expression of culture, they'd be "blank" to me.
» asdfffdsa on October 6th, 2012, 5:39pm
As for the specific question asked by the poll: yes, if I don't have any prior knowledge about the story, I typically assume the characters are asian simply because most anime/manga are in an asian setting. But I can't deny that it can be ambiguous sometimes--especially for the introduction of new characters.
I've seen a few manga and anime where the characters look distinctly more asian, but honestly I prefer the norm.
» HikaruYami on October 6th, 2012, 7:01pm
If a manga is set in Japan, I assume the characters are Japanese unless there's something obviously stated otherwise. For example, I have no trouble imagining everyone in HSDK as Japanese besides the foreign members of Yami & Yomi, despite how they look. But with stuff like Dragon Ball, I assume that maybe Son Gohan, Gokuu's "grandpa", was asian and therefore gave Gokuu an asian name, but otherwise, no.... (Bulma?)
I like it when a manga is drawn like Genshiken, which is interestingly all-around one of the most realistic manga I've ever read (right down to having known someone like Sue in high school =.="); in it, all the Japanese look Japanese, despite standard anime/manga ways of drawing eyes.
» alexdhamp on October 7th, 2012, 10:15am
» HikaruYami on October 7th, 2012, 11:24am
Anyway, I agree that none of the people from Amestris were meant to be asian, I just thought Roy's eyes and hair fit the idea of a Japanese pretty well. It's a fantasy world, and Xing was obviously based on China, whereas Amestris was mostly based on WW2 Germany (human experimentation and all that, as well as fuhrer, the ishvalians were basically jews, etc).
Also, there are a lot of ways you can tell them apart; eyes, facial structure.... If you really think they're that similar, it's probably just because there are so many Koreans in both Japan and China....
» whitespade on October 6th, 2012, 8:15pm
» VawX on October 6th, 2012, 8:40pm
» nowyat on October 6th, 2012, 9:35pm
» That3rdGuy on October 7th, 2012, 12:22am
» FormX on October 7th, 2012, 12:50am
...... makes me wonder a bit how many Asians you have seen in real life.
That said, this poll should have defined Asian, although we all know its SE Asian.
» whitespade on October 7th, 2012, 1:35am
south east asian look quite different from east asian, or the orientals.
» KaoriNite on October 7th, 2012, 6:50am
When I first starting reading manga I did see all of the characters as being Caucasian, and wondered why mangaka drew their characters like that. But then, I read some post on here about what race ppl thought the characters were and it opened my eyes to my own biases (like thinking that all Asians have squinty eyes). Most characters aren't really drawn with enough distinctive features for a person to tell what their race is. I think we just see in the characters the race that we are used to seeing (or maybe want to see). But I do still automatically think of the characters' hair being blonde when the mangaka doesn't have it colored in.
» nugro on October 7th, 2012, 12:36am
» alexdhamp on October 7th, 2012, 10:48am
» caitnap on October 7th, 2012, 5:47am
I see them as Manga drawing, neither asian or caucasian
it really depend on the artist, what the artist's story say about them
» NekoYumiko on October 7th, 2012, 5:58am
» thevampirate on October 7th, 2012, 7:41am
On the other hand they do look different enough from a Caucasian person that I would buy the argument that they aren't Caucasian. I believe that Its the fact that they all look like their 'ideal sense of beauty' unless they are intentionally drawn to not look good. It's like every TV show here in the west, where everyone is unnaturally attractive. While working over there I never really understood their sense of beauty, it's both similar and different from the general western beauty.
In the end I "consider the majority of characters to be Asian" but they do look Caucasian.
» CuthienSilmeriel on October 7th, 2012, 8:03am
I do understand why people think they are caucasian though. I live in Japan and it is blatently obvious when someone is even half-caucasian. Even my students who are half-Chinese can be picked out of a crowd, let alone those who are half-phillipino. In manga, you often can't tell unless it is stated when someone is supposed to be of mixed race/nationality. Mostly it is the mannerisms that give me a sense of Japanese more than the apperance.
» alexdhamp on October 7th, 2012, 10:59am
» TaoPaiPai on October 7th, 2012, 8:34am
they sometime draw other asians close to how they draw themselfes
but other than that it is fairly obvious who is part of the master race and who is not
cute,fine lines,"special" eyes
then we have the nonasians
hairy,weird eyes,big nose,black ppl often remind me of racist caricatyrs of black ppl from like the 1890s or something,other asians if drawn diffrently are usualy overall drawn to be ugly ,weird chins,
so atleast when i read japanese comics...i assume everyone is from the continent in that world that would be Asia in our world
» CuthienSilmeriel on October 7th, 2012, 9:17pm
they sometime draw other asians close to how they draw themselfes
but other than that it is fairly obvious who is part of the master race and who is not
cute,fine lines,"special" eyes
then we have the nonasians
hairy,weird eyes,big nose,black ppl of ...
I have to wonder what manga you have been reading. I have read plenty of manga where the non-Japanese characters are potrayed as at least equally, if not more, beautiful/handsome/desireable than the Japanese characters. I think a lot of what you see as racism is actually just art style. There are plenty of hairy, weird looking, big nosed Japanese people in manga as well. It's just a way of highlighting how handsome and perfect the main character is.
Also, with regards to Japanese racism, I would say it is more ignorance than racism. I live in a very rural area of Japan, more than half my town is over 60, so it really does feel like I stepped back in time sometimes when it comes to attitudes (I can't wear anything that exposes my shoulders around town for example. This is too scandalous). Without fail, every time some one has asked me a question than could see, racist (like assuming I'm American because I'm white, or asking if I can use chopsticks), it has never been malicious. Japanese people don't see themselves as a master race, they just have a very small population of foreigners so when they see one, they tend to get excited and ask what e might cosider a stupid question. It's no different to people in the west thinking Japan and China are practically the same. You would not believe how many people have asked me to translate Chinese just because Japanese also uses kanji.
Every single Japanese person I have ever met has shown me nothing but overwhelming generosity, patience, and curiosity. They don't think themselves better than me, or discriminate against me. Maybe your experiences were different, but I don't see it as racism. When you live in a country where 98% of the people are the same ethnicity, it shouldn't be a surprise when you're treated like a rarity. That isn't racism.
» Whatever on October 7th, 2012, 2:59pm
» BlackOrion on October 7th, 2012, 5:47pm
Not to mention that a lot of manga happens in it's own universe, like DB or HxH
» Yenoh on October 7th, 2012, 6:27pm
» QueenVIP on October 9th, 2012, 8:25pm
I mean, when we watch the dubbed versions of some anime series, you'd notice that characters don't refer to each other through Asian Honorifics because it may be too confusing/annoying to English viewers. This is the same for some English translated Asian comics - not all, but some.
So as of yet, I don't consider the characters that have different colored hair, big blue eyes, big tits and other obvious stuffs to be Asian, even when portrayed in an Asian society. I see them as a different race of people living in an Asian story.
I mean, let's face, Asian wish they had bigger eyes and bigger tits, and born with different hair color ...so they use their comics to them relieve the painful dream of having squinty almond eyes.
» MasamiAkane on October 11th, 2012, 9:12am
It's good thing I'm only half Asian and was spared from inheriting the squinty eyes and tiny tits. Ultimate dream within reach *fist pump*
I've never really thought about race when reading manga, unless it specifically states that the character is this or that.
» Turbophoenix on October 11th, 2012, 8:41am
» Azula on October 11th, 2012, 8:04pm
You see these non looking Asian characters in shounen, shoujo, seinen, josei and all the others.
Those who say "Only when portrayed in Asian society" or "Always do" are too narrow minded.
When you go to American/European/Canadian Anime conventions don't you guys notice how anyone who isn't Asian looks waaay better wearing their cosplay? ...now ask me this, "why is that?" Case is Closed.
» RattixEmpire on October 11th, 2012, 8:51pm
[edit]
Just remembered, whenever the characters have been living in Japan and go abroad, somehow, everyone speaks their language, unless it is as part of the plot that they don't.
» Hell_Clues on October 11th, 2012, 9:18pm
One thing I liked about animation is how it blurs that line,especially when its in a fantasy world. But I imagine they see the lack of the skin flap asians have from the cartoony, not really accurate human eyes, and imagine the character closer to themselves. The shapes in drawings often have people fill in blanks, and some people end up thinking this way, and perceive the character as whatever.
The way I look at it is that cartoonist are drawing cartoons first. Secondly they need this cartoon to represent a thing: a human, robot, ect. The more serious the work, the more important the representation will be. The representation of the country might matter more, the society, race relations, ect. It depends on how much this is important to the story. I think that's a strength for animation, because even if you want a serious work, you can make the character cartoony enough to be relatable despite anything. It makes things like nations and race less important, though people are influenced by wherever they are.
» leiyepewei on October 11th, 2012, 11:32pm
» Curium on October 12th, 2012, 6:51pm
» Sapphiresky on October 12th, 2012, 7:36pm
On a different note, I find it amusing that in a given series Chinese people look perfectly Asian, black hair, brown/black small eyes but Japanese people don't.
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